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Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change

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Sadly, it is clear the Democrats want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to work.

What is wrong with these misguided people? What direction are the trying to take our nation? Do they want us to instead become a nation of "freeloaders" who depend on working taxpayers for their monthly incomes as Greece and Spain have now become in Europe?

Discussion follows.

Note: FoxNews as a news source is clearly considered as mainstream media.

Republicans are accusing the Obama administration of unilaterally gutting welfare reform after the Department of Health and Human Services quietly notified states that they may seek a waiver for the program's strict work requirements.

HHS made the announcement in a policy memo Thursday, news that slipped well below the radar amid a raucous day on the presidential campaign trail. But a few prominent GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill picked up on the change, and accused the administration of overhauling one of the most important bipartisan agreements of the past several decades.

"President Obama just tore up a basic foundation of the welfare contract" Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, D-Ohio, said in a statement. He also called the move a "blatant violation of the law."

Mitt Romney on Friday spoke up on the change, saying: "President Obama now wants to strip the established work requirements from welfare." He said "the linkage of work and welfare is essential to prevent welfare from becoming a way of life."

The hard-fought welfare reform agreement in 1996 was struck between the Bill Clinton administration and a Republican-led Congress. It is still considered a signature legislative achievement from that period.

The number of people on Temporary Assistance for Needy Families has decreased dramatically since 1997, but roughly 4 million people are still enrolled according to federal figures. The change comes in the middle of a competitive election fight between Obama and Romney.

Rep. Dave Camp, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, have written to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius asking for a more detailed explanation of the change and her authority for making it. Both expressed concern that the change would strip the crux of the 1996 welfare reform deal.

"This ends welfare reform as we know it," Camp said in a statement.

I'm disappointed that after years of sitting on their hands and failing to propose any significant improvements to the TANF programs, the Obama Administration is once again over-stepping their authority and attempting to circumvent Congress through an unprecedented bypass of the legislative process," Hatch said

source: Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change | Fox News
 
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Conservatives need to understand something about liberal politics.

By pushing conservatives into the position of demanding people work to be entitled to dignity, liberals make conservatives look like socialists.

When liberals tell you they're not socialists, they're not lying. The welfare state is an intermediary position against total collectivization, and their advocacy of social policies such as feminism and multiculturalism dilute the labor supply such that capitalists can thrive from downward pressure on wages. Furthermore, by undermining social values, consumers become more desperate for consumer goods to find satisfaction, pushing up inflation.

If conservatives want to riposte this, they need to engage the social side of the spectrum again, and stop getting flustered to accommodate political correctness.

The clock is ticking.
 
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Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Conservatives need to understand something about liberal politics.

By pushing conservatives into the position of demanding people work to be entitled to dignity, liberals make conservatives look like socialists.

When liberals tell you they're not socialists, they're not lying. The welfare state is an intermediary position against total collectivization, and their advocacy of social policies such as feminism and multiculturalism dilute the labor supply such that capitalists can thrive from downward pressure on wages. Furthermore, by undermining social values, consumers become more desperate for consumer goods to find satisfaction, pushing up inflation.

If conservatives want to riposte this, they need to engage the social side of the spectrum again, and stop getting flustered to accommodate political correctness.

The clock is ticking.



^ Another nonsensical message. To claim unlimited and unqualified free goverment money is conservative is nonsense. To claim people should earn their own money is not socialism. No other person but you on earth possibly would be so confused and so misused well understood words.

Welfare is a social program. That is not a complex concept.

"Undermining social values makes consumers desperate causing inflation..." is more just goofiness.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

I'm sorry, but brutally asserting "nonsense" and "goofiness" is not an argument.

To claim people should earn their own money is not socialism.

I didn't say that. My reference was to dignity, not productivity.

Your equation of the two shows how much conservatism has decayed. Soon, we'll have a government where people are expected to work just to be entitled to responsible policing.
 
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Note: FoxNews as a news source is clearly considered as mainstream media.


Mainstream in the same way that a tri-cornered hat is.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Sadly, it is clear the Democrats want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to work.

What is wrong with these misguided people? What direction are the trying to take our nation? Do they want us to instead become a nation of "freeloaders" who depend on working taxpayers for their monthly incomes as Greece and Spain have now become in Europe?

Discussion follows.

Note: FoxNews as a news source is clearly considered as mainstream media.

Republicans are accusing the Obama administration of unilaterally gutting welfare reform after the Department of Health and Human Services quietly notified states that they may seek a waiver for the program's strict work requirements.

HHS made the announcement in a policy memo Thursday, news that slipped well below the radar amid a raucous day on the presidential campaign trail. But a few prominent GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill picked up on the change, and accused the administration of overhauling one of the most important bipartisan agreements of the past several decades.

"President Obama just tore up a basic foundation of the welfare contract" Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, D-Ohio, said in a statement. He also called the move a "blatant violation of the law."

Mitt Romney on Friday spoke up on the change, saying: "President Obama now wants to strip the established work requirements from welfare." He said "the linkage of work and welfare is essential to prevent welfare from becoming a way of life."

The hard-fought welfare reform agreement in 1996 was struck between the Bill Clinton administration and a Republican-led Congress. It is still considered a signature legislative achievement from that period.

The number of people on Temporary Assistance for Needy Families has decreased dramatically since 1997, but roughly 4 million people are still enrolled according to federal figures. The change comes in the middle of a competitive election fight between Obama and Romney.

Rep. Dave Camp, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, have written to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius asking for a more detailed explanation of the change and her authority for making it. Both expressed concern that the change would strip the crux of the 1996 welfare reform deal.

"This ends welfare reform as we know it," Camp said in a statement.

I'm disappointed that after years of sitting on their hands and failing to propose any significant improvements to the TANF programs, the Obama Administration is once again over-stepping their authority and attempting to circumvent Congress through an unprecedented bypass of the legislative process," Hatch said

source: Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change | Fox News

Sounds like GOP polices to the rich.. give them handouts and reduced taxes if any, and of course massive favours and so on..
 
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After reading this: FoxNews as a news source is clearly considered as mainstream media.

I knew the rest of the post was gonna be just more bull**** too.
 
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^ Another nonsensical message. To claim unlimited and unqualified free goverment money is conservative is nonsense. To claim people should earn their own money is not socialism. No other person but you on earth possibly would be so confused and so misused well understood words.

Welfare is a social program. That is not a complex concept.

"Undermining social values makes consumers desperate causing inflation..." is more just goofiness.

Unless said welfare is earmarked for some corporate interest filling their pockets. Then it's all fine and dandy. The GOP isn't much different then the Dems. The dems count on welfare to keep the have-nots voting for them and the GOP count on corporate welfare and tax deductions (read: rich welfare) for their wealthy support to keep their war chests full in order to buy more elections.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

^ Another nonsensical message. To claim unlimited and unqualified free goverment money is conservative is nonsense. To claim people should earn their own money is not socialism. No other person but you on earth possibly would be so confused and so misused well understood words.

Welfare is a social program. That is not a complex concept.

"Undermining social values makes consumers desperate causing inflation..." is more just goofiness.

Dude you're the guy who makes posts about how Obama is trying to raise up African Americans to be the favored race in this country, you've accused him of creating a system where non-blacks have less rights than blacks. I don't think you have the ground to stand upon to call someone else's message nonsensical.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Sadly......

Note: FoxNews as a news source is clearly considered as mainstream media.

If this were really axiomatic the statement would not have been necessary, nor would the weak statement have to be even further propped up with the use of the word "clearly" . But you did feel each were necessary as you knew the strength of your argument was highly dependent upon it . Well, it wasn't much of an argument.....

There is really no point in arguing all of the wild-ass ideas that are cooked up over at Fox. Get back to us when you can cite a real news organization.

.....What is wrong with these misguided people?....

They think Fox is a real news organization.
 
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Sadly, it is clear the Democrats want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to work.

Oh damn, you've seen through our insidious plan!! :lamo
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Nothing is ever settled in American politics. The battles of the past are refought over and over again. There will be no peace in this iteration of America.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Another nonsensical message. To claim unlimited and unqualified free goverment money is conservative is nonsense. To claim people should earn their own money is not socialism. No other person but you on earth possibly would be so confused and so misused well understood words.

Welfare is a social program. That is not a complex concept.

"Undermining social values makes consumers desperate causing inflation..." is more just goofiness.

There are very wise comments indeed, joko.

The Democrats are desperately trying to draw attention away from Obama's poor record of his dismal economoc recovery.

The number of long-term unemployed — those out of work 27 weeks or more — is still 5.4 million — almost 1 million higher than when the recovery began, and almost twice the level it ever reached prior to Obama's recovery. ... In addition, while hiring has been very weak during the recovery, the number of people who have dropped out of the labor force entirely has exploded by 7.3 million since June 2009, an IBD analysis of BLS data show. Some aged into retirement, but most either signed up for disability, stayed in school, moved back in with parents, or just quit looking for a job.

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The loopy liberals are desperately trying to hid Barack Obama's TRUE record. ... "The economy created just 80,000 jobs in June, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday. But that same month, 85,000 workers left the workforce entirely to enroll in the Social Security Disability Insurance program, according to the Social Security Administration."
 
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JC, let me ask you something.

Do you think it's a good idea to make the unemployed perform community service or volunteer work to be entitled to unemployment benefits?
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

JC, let me ask you something.

Do you think it's a good idea to make the unemployed perform community service or volunteer work to be entitled to unemployment benefits?


Paying unemployed people from government funds to perform needed work in the public sector?
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PWA
CCW



Sounds good to me.
 
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Why do we have to work jobs that we hate? Why do we have to work period? It should be an option, not forced upon everyone. Life is precious, why waste so much of it doing labor? Being away from home, our loved ones, our things, our everything to do work. Such an old philosophy.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

JC, let me ask you something.

Do you think it's a good idea to make the unemployed perform community service or volunteer work to be entitled to unemployment benefits?

Maybe. For the first two months no, after that yes, and with increasing hours per week required. The same should be true of ANY public assistance. The idea that simply existing and lacking the means to support yourself and your dependents, somehow entitles you to a share of the wages of all others, is not good public policy. Aid for the retired and disabled, such as SS/Medicare, is one thing but aid for ALL is quite another.
 
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I'm waiting for JC to make a statement before responding to anything else.
 
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JC, let me ask you something.

Do you think it's a good idea to make the unemployed perform community service or volunteer work to be entitled to unemployment benefits?

Thank you for asking.

It is obvious you are a very intelligent person by asking this question rather than stating a political position.

The answer is "yes". When the unemployed people perform community service they develop a sense of pride in their accomplishments. Also, studies have shown when minority communities are well maintained, the violent crime rates in the neighborhood go way down. This is known as the "broken window" theory.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Why do we have to work jobs that we hate? Why do we have to work period? It should be an option, not forced upon everyone. Life is precious, why waste so much of it doing labor? Being away from home, our loved ones, our things, our everything to do work. Such an old philosophy.

Welcome to the U.S. You have to <death and taxes>.
No one is forcing you to work at a job.
No one is forcing you to work at a job you hate.
Working is an option.
How much of your limited life you spend on labor is largely up to you.

If you believe this message is an error, please respond. Else, please incorporate these facts into your worldview.
 
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Thank you for asking.

It is obvious you are a very intelligent person by asking this question rather than stating a political position.

The answer is "yes". When the unemployed people perform community service they develop a sense of pride in their accomplishments. Also, studies have shown when minority communities are well maintained, the violent crime rates in the neighborhood go way down. This is known as the "broken window" theory.

Especially as a conservative, I have to strongly disagree with you.

Community service and volunteer programs are setup to help unemployed people so we're telling unemployed people to help other unemployed people.

This is despicable because we have to remember that nobody asks to be born into society. It's the same reason we prohibit child abuse and child labor, make parents take responsibility for the delinquency of their children, graduate children into adulthood only after periods of time, and require proficiency before getting licensed.

If someone is unemployed, that means society has failed to teach the unemployed social values, and allowed labor supply and demand to become desynchronized from social decay. People were allowed to reproduce without having commitment to their children's networking into becoming productive.

As a conservative, you should realize that social values come first, not industry. Industry is the result of people being thoughtful. By demanding people work for unemployment benefits, we're saying it's OK that parents and administrators weren't thoughtful in planning ahead what it would take for children to fit in.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Maybe. For the first two months no, after that yes, and with increasing hours per week required. The same should be true of ANY public assistance. The idea that simply existing and lacking the means to support yourself and your dependents, somehow entitles you to a share of the wages of all others, is not good public policy. Aid for the retired and disabled, such as SS/Medicare, is one thing but aid for ALL is quite another.

To be clear, I don't support welfare programs. If anyone's funding unemployment benefits, it should be the parents of the unemployed who forced the unemployed into existence without giving consideration to social networking.

Beyond that (as in the case of parents passing away), the unemployed should be administered over by the same people who allow parents to reproduce. For example, in today's society, we only permit people who have reached the age of majority to have sex. Whoever defines that age (or otherwise qualitative benchmark) should be in charge of unemployment benefits.

After all, the definers of majority are the people who allow others to assume the risk of bringing people into society incompatibly.
 
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Paying unemployed people from government funds to perform needed work in the public sector?
WPA
PWA
CCW



Sounds good to me.

Well yea, this is even less conservative than what JC was saying. Public works are the least conservative idea of all. After all, public infrastructure is the antithesis of organic community because it just gets built for raw efficiency. There's no narrative behind it.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Especially as a conservative, I have to strongly disagree with you.

Community service and volunteer programs are setup to help unemployed people so we're telling unemployed people to help other unemployed people.

This is despicable because we have to remember that nobody asks to be born into society. It's the same reason we prohibit child abuse and child labor, make parents take responsibility for the delinquency of their children, graduate children into adulthood only after periods of time, and require proficiency before getting licensed.

If someone is unemployed, that means society has failed to teach the unemployed social values, and allowed labor supply and demand to become desynchronized from social decay. People were allowed to reproduce without having commitment to their children's networking into becoming productive.

As a conservative, you should realize that social values come first, not industry. Industry is the result of people being thoughtful. By demanding people work for unemployment benefits, we're saying it's OK that parents and administrators weren't thoughtful in planning ahead what it would take for children to fit in.

You are mistaken, Daktoria.

If someone is unemployed or underemployed, it does not mean society has failed to teach the unemployed social values, and allowed labor supply and demand to become desynchronized from social decay. It does not mean people were allowed to reproduce without having commitment to their children's networking into becoming productive.

It means they are receiving unemployment benefits or are working one job until they can find a better job for which they are highly qualified.

Nice try, but no cigar.
 
Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

Sadly, it is clear the Democrats want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to work.

What is wrong with these misguided people? What direction are the trying to take our nation? Do they want us to instead become a nation of "freeloaders" who depend on working taxpayers for their monthly incomes as Greece and Spain have now become in Europe?

Discussion follows.

Note: FoxNews as a news source is clearly considered as mainstream media.

Republicans are accusing the Obama administration of unilaterally gutting welfare reform after the Department of Health and Human Services quietly notified states that they may seek a waiver for the program's strict work requirements.

HHS made the announcement in a policy memo Thursday, news that slipped well below the radar amid a raucous day on the presidential campaign trail. But a few prominent GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill picked up on the change, and accused the administration of overhauling one of the most important bipartisan agreements of the past several decades.

"President Obama just tore up a basic foundation of the welfare contract" Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, D-Ohio, said in a statement. He also called the move a "blatant violation of the law."

Mitt Romney on Friday spoke up on the change, saying: "President Obama now wants to strip the established work requirements from welfare." He said "the linkage of work and welfare is essential to prevent welfare from becoming a way of life."

The hard-fought welfare reform agreement in 1996 was struck between the Bill Clinton administration and a Republican-led Congress. It is still considered a signature legislative achievement from that period.

The number of people on Temporary Assistance for Needy Families has decreased dramatically since 1997, but roughly 4 million people are still enrolled according to federal figures. The change comes in the middle of a competitive election fight between Obama and Romney.

Rep. Dave Camp, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, have written to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius asking for a more detailed explanation of the change and her authority for making it. Both expressed concern that the change would strip the crux of the 1996 welfare reform deal.

"This ends welfare reform as we know it," Camp said in a statement.

I'm disappointed that after years of sitting on their hands and failing to propose any significant improvements to the TANF programs, the Obama Administration is once again over-stepping their authority and attempting to circumvent Congress through an unprecedented bypass of the legislative process," Hatch said

source: Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change | Fox News

I'm pretty sure that it has less to do with Democrats wanting people to get welfare without working and that it has more to do with over 8% of the American populace not being able to get a job. And that doesn't include those Americans who have a job but aren't making a livable wage.
 
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