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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    take out the word MAKE, type in the word ALLOW.....that adds DIGNITY to welfare and unemployment....
    I see what you're saying there, but people don't ask to be hungry, cold, or tired. Whoever created that hunger, coldness, and tiredness is obligated to make sure it's fulfilled.

    That means the unemployed's parents are liable. This is especially the case from how employment takes social networking. If someone can't network, then it raises to know why someone lacks social skills.

    Social skills come from parenting. If parents do a bad job, then again, they're liable.
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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I see what you're saying there, but people don't ask to be hungry, cold, or tired. Whoever created that hunger, coldness, and tiredness is obligated to make sure it's fulfilled.

    That means the unemployed's parents are liable. This is especially the case from how employment takes social networking. If someone can't network, then it raises to know why someone lacks social skills.

    Social skills come from parenting. If parents do a bad job, then again, they're liable.
    so, no job openings, no kids need to be made?
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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so, no job openings, no kids need to be made?
    It's a dynamic process.

    Job openings should be created in rhythm with children being born. Part of this means cultivating imagination in future generations such that they can employ themselves into the future.

    If people are unemployed, that means this rhythm has been desynchronized.

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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    It's a dynamic process.

    Job openings should be created in rhythm with children being born. Part of this means cultivating imagination in future generations such that they can employ themselves into the future.

    If people are unemployed, that means this rhythm has been desynchronized.
    We should probably only allow educated, successful, and good looking people to have children....
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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Well yea, this is even less conservative than what JC was saying. Public works are the least conservative idea of all. After all, public infrastructure is the antithesis of organic community because it just gets built for raw efficiency. There's no narrative behind it.
    There is necessity behind it.
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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We should probably only allow educated, successful, and good looking people to have children....
    Well...

    ...I wouldn't say that.

    Educated people are meritocratic workaholics.

    Past success doesn't guarantee future results.

    Good looking people aren't automatically good idea people.

    What you need to do is check for social values. Only honest, openminded, trustworthy people should be allowed to have children.

    That way, you know people are thinking ahead and imagining what it takes to keep society moving forward.

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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We should probably only allow educated, successful, and good looking people to have children....
    Only after they
    1- fill out the proper forms in triplicate
    2- get approved after an extensive screening process
    3- take a years worth of parenting classes
    4- pass a rigorous battery of parenting tests
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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Maybe. For the first two months no, after that yes, and with increasing hours per week required. The same should be true of ANY public assistance. The idea that simply existing and lacking the means to support yourself and your dependents, somehow entitles you to a share of the wages of all others, is not good public policy. Aid for the retired and disabled, such as SS/Medicare, is one thing but aid for ALL is quite another.
    Unemployment insurance is insurance. Its paid for by the worker and the employer. You are no more sharing in the wages of others in collecting unemployment insurance as you are sharing in the premiums of others when you collect on your auto insurance, homeowners insurance or life insurance. Perhaps, by extension of your argument, those collecting on homeowners after a fire should be required to work on the labor crew rebuilding the house; or in the auto body shop fixing the car.

    Similar to those other types of insurance, employers that have a bad habit of hiring and laying off pay higher premiums than those that plan their workforce a little better and are not as quick to layoff in downturn.

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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is necessity behind it.
    Well yea, but life isn't about just getting done what needs to get done. It's about familiarizing how necessities are done, and then using that familiarity to celebrate possibilities.

    For example, when you drive on a historical road, there's a narrative behind why it was built there. If you're lost in life, you can refer to that narrative as a lighthouse to find your way.

    Public works, however, don't have any history behind why they build roads where they build them. They just get built. After the fact, anyone driving along them can get lost, and not know what to do.

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    Re: Democrats now want welfare to become a way of life for people who do not want to

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Only after they
    1- fill out the proper forms in triplicate
    2- get approved after an extensive screening process
    3- take a years worth of parenting classes
    4- pass a rigorous battery of parenting tests
    ...or you can start here:

    kolb's learning styles, experiential learning theory, kolb's learning styles inventory and diagram

    Only people who can accommodate all four learning styles should be allowed to have kids. That way, we guarantee that there's no disconnect between how parents and children communicate.

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