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    UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    UN arms treaty could put U.S. gun owners in foreign sights, say critics | Fox News


    UNITED NATIONS – A treaty being hammered out this month at the United Nations -- with Iran playing a key role -- could expose the records of America's gun owners to foreign governments -- and, critics warn, eventually put the Second Amendment on global trial.

    International talks in New York are going on throughout July on the final wording of the so-called Arms Trade Treaty, which supporters such as Amnesty International USA say would rein in unregulated weapons that kill an estimated 1,500 people daily around the world. But critics, including the National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre, warn the treaty would mark a major step toward the eventual erosion of the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment gun-ownership rights.

    Americans “just don’t want the UN to be acting as a global nanny with a global permission slip stating whether they can own a gun or not,” LaPierre said. “It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty,” he warned in an exclusive interview with FoxNews.com from the halls of the UN negotiating chambers.
    Frankly I'm not sure how this will play out internationally, but treaties do not supercede the US Constitution here.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    The Senate won't ratify any treaty that restricts American gun-ownership rights in any way.

    so this is a big deal over nothing.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Between the small arms treaty, the law of the sea treaty, and the global conservation act, things aren't looking good for sovereignty.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Is there, like, a wingnut timer that reminds them to recirculate this bull**** story ever 12 months?
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is there, like, a wingnut timer that reminds them to recirculate this bull**** story ever 12 months?
    they are on a 12-month cycle of regurgitation.


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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Is there, like, a wingnut timer that reminds them to recirculate this bull**** story ever 12 months?
    snopes.com: Small Arms Treaty

    Down and dirty is that the idea, its not even a treaty yet as it hasn't even been written let alone signed, is that it would affect only international arms trading, and that internal affairs dealing with arms are left unaffected. So basically its no threat whatsoever to anybody's gun, but it makes for great politics so its been spun up and twisted into something entirely different.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    The Snopes piece is about something entirely different than what's referenced in the OP.

    Arms Trade Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I don't see anything incorrect in the OP's article, even if it's slanted.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Ahh more hyper-ventilation by the American right....

    At worst... Americans wont be allowed into countries... and I dont see a problem with that. We are not allowed into the US if we dont hand over private information beforehand to the American authorities... so why on earth should it be any different for Americans wanting to enter other countries?
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    The current UN treaty is about regulating arms trade from country to country nothing about regulating gun ownership in America.


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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Its little wonder our foreign policy is so garbage. The focus of the conference should be trying to manipulate the treaty to our advantage by creating rules that keep arms out of the hands of people who might use them against us. Instead, you get the usual tunnel-vision idiots who can't see beyond their own partisan domestic agendas.

    The real question is what kind of deals can we hammer out with the Russians and Chinese. While obviously there is a certain rivalry, there is also mutual self interest in keeping weapons out of the hands of Islamic extremist groups. A good tactic would be to focus on keeping the arms trade between nation states as much as possible and limit the ability to re-transfer them to non-governmental entities. The old cold war strategy of arming dissidents had serious negative consequences and its overall a net positive in our current situation to stop the practice as much as possible.

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