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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's all fine and good, however, if such a treaty were ratified, how much hell would we go through before we convince the tyrants in charge that they can't **** us over?

    How about we be pro-active rather than re-active? Or, would that make too much sense?
    I'm all for being pro-active, but this isn't a threat at all. The treaty hasn't even been written yet, and the ideas for it aren't even going to affect what you are worried about. If you are concerned about freedom there are bigger threats on the radar to look at.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I'm all for being pro-active, but this isn't a threat at all. The treaty hasn't even been written yet, and the ideas for it aren't even going to affect what you are worried about. If you are concerned about freedom there are bigger threats on the radar to look at.
    Any threat to freedom should be taken seriously, people have stated that the treaty isn't written yet but claim nothing in it can affect U.S. sovereignity pertaining to our constitution, I don't think the logic in saying there's nothing to worry about complies with the treaty being unwritten. Here's the thing, the U.N. has been trying to get the U.S. to follow it's agenda for years, add to this that there have been numerous opinions towards global disarmament both verbalized and written by many in the U.N. assembly including some American politicians, and the U.N. as a body is anti-gun. There is more reason to believe the treaty could significantly harm U.S. gun rights than to believe otherwise.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Maybe you should stick to the truth if that's possible. I'm betting from seeing your posts it isn't.
    Oh really. Why don't we compare examples of the U.N. interfering with civilian firearms imports versus the federal government. I will start with the 1989 Semi-Automatic Rifle Import Ban. This particular piece of legislation banned foreign rifles with telescoping stocks, pistol grips or bayonet mounts. Domestic versions were exempted and had a significant sales boom.

    Now why don't you see if you can find a similar example based on anything the U.N. has done.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    From Article VI of the US Constitution:



    That said, doing anything to get rid of guns is political suicide.
    No treaty can be passed that attempts to supercede the Constitution.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    It is a bit ironic that the super patriotic Americans in this thread are seemingly in favour of supporting foreign arms manufacturers rather than American companies. As the Treaty's intention is to control to some extent the arms trade between nations. I would think that "True Amuricans" would be in favour of it because then Americans could only buy American made weaponry.

    On the "Small Arms" definition, I believe the contemporary understanding in most of the world is a weapon that can be carried and operated by one person.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is a bit ironic that the super patriotic Americans in this thread are seemingly in favour of supporting foreign arms manufacturers rather than American companies. As the Treaty's intention is to control to some extent the arms trade between nations. I would think that "True Amuricans" would be in favour of it because then Americans could only buy American made weaponry.

    On the "Small Arms" definition, I believe the contemporary understanding in most of the world is a weapon that can be carried and operated by one person.
    Excuse me, but "real Americans" can believe in valid economics theories such as free trade.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It is a bit ironic that the super patriotic Americans in this thread are seemingly in favour of supporting foreign arms manufacturers rather than American companies. As the Treaty's intention is to control to some extent the arms trade between nations. I would think that "True Amuricans" would be in favour of it because then Americans could only buy American made weaponry.
    Protectionism is not patriotism, its simply screwing the consumer in favor of the manufacturer.

    On the "Small Arms" definition, I believe the contemporary understanding in most of the world is a weapon that can be carried and operated by one person.
    That isn't really accurate. The most common definition includes pistols, submachine guns, rifles, shotguns and light machine guns. Small mortars, guided missiles and recoiless rifles can be used by a single man but are classified based on their firepower not size.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Any threat to freedom should be taken seriously, people have stated that the treaty isn't written yet but claim nothing in it can affect U.S. sovereignity pertaining to our constitution, I don't think the logic in saying there's nothing to worry about complies with the treaty being unwritten. Here's the thing, the U.N. has been trying to get the U.S. to follow it's agenda for years, add to this that there have been numerous opinions towards global disarmament both verbalized and written by many in the U.N. assembly including some American politicians, and the U.N. as a body is anti-gun. There is more reason to believe the treaty could significantly harm U.S. gun rights than to believe otherwise.
    You are misled. The General Assembly resolution which started the Internatonal Treaty process specifically states that it remains “the exclusive right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through constitutional protections on private ownership.” ... that comprehensively rules out the scaremongering nonsense being spewed around the US gun community.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Any threat to freedom should be taken seriously, people have stated that the treaty isn't written yet but claim nothing in it can affect U.S. sovereignity pertaining to our constitution, I don't think the logic in saying there's nothing to worry about complies with the treaty being unwritten. Here's the thing, the U.N. has been trying to get the U.S. to follow it's agenda for years, add to this that there have been numerous opinions towards global disarmament both verbalized and written by many in the U.N. assembly including some American politicians, and the U.N. as a body is anti-gun. There is more reason to believe the treaty could significantly harm U.S. gun rights than to believe otherwise.
    What reasons? There are no reason to believe it could harm the US, nothing you said justifies any kind of worry. The UN issues statements and non binding resolutions all the damn time, none of them really mean anything.

    I don't understand how so many conservatives believe the UN is both A) powerless and therefore useless and B) a serious threat to their freedom at the same time. Its either one or the other guys.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Maybe I'm naive but I don't think the NRA would be sounding the alarm if there were absolutely nothing to be concerned about.
    I get that it makes for a great platform to launch a fund raising campaign and that may be all it is. However, I cannot dismiss
    the symbology of the handgun, small arms, not artillery hardware, with the barrel tied in a knot sitting out front of the UN
    building. Nefarious agendas hidden in plain sight. How many thought the ACA would be construed as constitutional? How
    many thought it it would have been passed as it did, using a plunger like you would to clear a clogged pipe? In regard to
    tyranny, it's thriving here and we're growing accustom to it. If this were not a true statement, we wouldn't be here on
    this thread as no one would be concerned as to whether this issue could materialize. The tensions building in in the
    US among the citizens sparking intense debate daily now has not risen out of anger. The emotion driving daily turmoil
    is fear. That is tyranny.

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