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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Then maybe you should rephrase your statement to one that would reflect upholding US law.
    Maybe should stop making up nonse about how international arms control is a domestic gun control issue. The only people restricting U.S. civilian firearms import is our own government, often in collusion with manufactures trying to gain a competitive advantage. It has nothing to with the issue at hand.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The name is misleading, the treaty is not restricted to small arms.
    Then it needs to be scrapped. Weapons terminology means what it means. Small arms pertain to rifles, pistols, most machine guns, sub-machine guns, and other projectile weapons not crew served or explosive. Ordnance pertains to explosives, etc. but if a treaty was against illegal shipments of weapons it's a starting point but there needs to be quite a bit of analysis.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    snopes.com: Small Arms Treaty

    Down and dirty is that the idea, its not even a treaty yet as it hasn't even been written let alone signed, is that it would affect only international arms trading, and that internal affairs dealing with arms are left unaffected. So basically its no threat whatsoever to anybody's gun, but it makes for great politics so its been spun up and twisted into something entirely different.
    As you pointed out, the treaty hasn't been written yet, so you have no idea what it will, or won't affect.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As you pointed out, the treaty hasn't been written yet, so you have no idea what it will, or won't affect.
    Well no one is proposing or calling for Americans 2nd rights being infringed upon or taken away by this treaty.


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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well no one is proposing or calling for Americans 2nd rights being infringed upon or taken away by this treaty.
    It is a bad treaty for other reasons though, which are far more worthy of discussion......

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    It is a bad treaty for other reasons though, which are far more worthy of discussion......
    sure but these reasons on this thread are baseless accusations


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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well no one is proposing or calling for Americans 2nd rights being infringed upon or taken away by this treaty.
    And, you can show me in the language of the treaty where it says exactly that?

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    But any *would-be* genuine attempts at overthrowing him would be hampered if it was difficult to get the necessary weapons. Gadafi would have been a lot harder to get rid of if the Libyan population wasn't armed.
    The Libyans primarily used captured weapons from the Libyan military, not foreign imports. It also would have been easy to get a green-light for arms shipments given the positive international support. I admit that there are potential situations where it would be useful to supply arms to dissident groups, but its worth sacrificing that given the much higher number of groups we don't want to have weapons.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    UN arms treaty could put U.S. gun owners in foreign sights, say critics | Fox News




    Frankly I'm not sure how this will play out internationally, but treaties do not supercede the US Constitution here.
    Let them put it on "global trial" WTF do they think they can do about it? America ain't their country, they can kindly butt the **** out.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, you can show me in the language of the treaty where it says exactly that?
    No i cant show you the actual text but i can show you the list of proposals.
    Arms Trade Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    UNODA - Towards an Arms Trade Treaty
    UN Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty

    You will find nothing about our guns being taken away.


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