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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The person who most recently planned a coup to overthrow Mugabe was Mugabe himself in a ploy to justify his domestic crackdown.
    But any *would-be* genuine attempts at overthrowing him would be hampered if it was difficult to get the necessary weapons. Gadafi would have been a lot harder to get rid of if the Libyan population wasn't armed.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Nobody gives a **** about legitimate civilian firearms imports, this is about preventing people from giving stingers to the IRA or artillery rockets to Hezbollah.
    Stinger missile systems and artillery aren't small arms, they are explosive ordnance. They therefore couldn't even be covered in a "small arms treaty" by any realistic application of logic.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

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    Frankly I'm not sure how this will play out internationally, but treaties do not supercede the US Constitution here.
    From what I've read in the reports, the treaty is soley aimed at regulating international transfers of military weapons, to keep the trail oput in the open so, diversions don't happen. I think that's actually a very good idea to prevent - pirates, feudal lords, faction based war and drug cartels rom getting ahold of that kind fire power to terrorize people with. I cannot in any way see how this treaty would have any affect on the II Amendment. It doesn't invole us in that respect.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

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    Frankly I'm not sure how this will play out internationally, but treaties do not supercede the US Constitution here.
    From Article VI of the US Constitution:

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land
    That said, doing anything to get rid of guns is political suicide.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    From what I've read in the reports, the treaty is soley aimed at regulating international transfers of military weapons, to keep the trail oput in the open so, diversions don't happen. I think that's actually a very good idea to prevent - pirates, feudal lords, faction based war and drug cartels rom getting ahold of that kind fire power to terrorize people with. I cannot in any way see how this treaty would have any affect on the II Amendment. It doesn't invole us in that respect.
    It does require massive record keeping and registration of ALL firearms, the hassle factor alone, never mind the fees involved, is rediculous.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Oh noes!

    They're coming for my guns! They're coming for my guns!

    Again! And again!

    Oh wait... nevermind.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Nobody gives a **** about legitimate civilian firearms imports, this is about preventing people from giving stingers to the IRA or artillery rockets to Hezbollah.

    Then maybe you should rephrase your statement to one that would reflect upholding US law.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

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    Why on Earth would any American WANT to enter any other country? Especially an American gun-owner, who will be left totally defenseless and at the mercy of the foreign population after doing so?
    You should understand, as you have stated that you want to move, correct?
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Oh noes!

    They're coming for my guns! They're coming for my guns!

    Again! And again!

    Oh wait... nevermind.
    Meh, I get my firearms, parts, and ammunition just fine, and will continue to do so legitimately if the 2nd Amendment remains, or through the black market if they are not. It matters not to me.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Stinger missile systems and artillery aren't small arms, they are explosive ordnance. They therefore couldn't even be covered in a "small arms treaty" by any realistic application of logic.
    The name is misleading, the treaty is not restricted to small arms.

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