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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    [url=http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/]UN arms treaty could put U.S. gun owners in foreign sights, say critics | Fox News[/url

    Frankly I'm not sure how this will play out internationally, but treaties do not supercede the US Constitution here.

    Its an ill thought-out treaty regardless of its effects on U.S gun owners, The Zimbabwes and North Korea's of the world could certainly do with a lot more arms trafficking if we are ever to be rid of these regimes.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Ahh more hyper-ventilation by the American right....

    At worst... Americans wont be allowed into countries... and I dont see a problem with that. We are not allowed into the US if we dont hand over private information beforehand to the American authorities... so why on earth should it be any different for Americans wanting to enter other countries?
    Why on Earth would any American WANT to enter any other country? Especially an American gun-owner, who will be left totally defenseless and at the mercy of the foreign population after doing so?

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Senate won't ratify any treaty that restricts American gun-ownership rights in any way.

    so this is a big deal over nothing.
    They infringed on gun owners rights when Clinton was president.
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    Generalizations are stupid.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Why on Earth would any American WANT to enter any other country? Especially an American gun-owner, who will be left totally defenseless and at the mercy of the foreign population after doing so?
    Aren't you leaving the United States? Why are you and where are you going?

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Aren't you leaving the United States? Why are you and where are you going?
    I am in the process of working out the details of a move to Pakistan. I just don't see anything left in this country for someone like me, Wiseone. After the healthcare decision, I don't really believe there's any part of the Real AMERICA left to try and save.

    We had a family gathering this past Sunday and the concensus was that my Great-Grandfather would never have left Germany (in 1900) to come to the country that the US is today. He would be utterly disgusted by what this nation now is compared to what it was even just a century ago.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am in the process of working out the details of a move to Pakistan. I just don't see anything left in this country for someone like me, Wiseone. After the healthcare decision, I don't really believe there's any part of the Real AMERICA left to try and save.

    We had a family gathering this past Sunday and the concensus was that my Great-Grandfather would never have left Germany (in 1900) to come to the country that the US is today. He would be utterly disgusted by what this nation now is compared to what it was even just a century ago.
    What exactly are you going to do in Pakistan if I may ask and why chose there?

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its little wonder our foreign policy is so garbage. The focus of the conference should be trying to manipulate the treaty to our advantage by creating rules that keep arms out of the hands of people who might use them against us. Instead, you get the usual tunnel-vision idiots who can't see beyond their own partisan domestic agendas.

    The real question is what kind of deals can we hammer out with the Russians and Chinese. While obviously there is a certain rivalry, there is also mutual self interest in keeping weapons out of the hands of Islamic extremist groups. A good tactic would be to focus on keeping the arms trade between nation states as much as possible and limit the ability to re-transfer them to non-governmental entities. The old cold war strategy of arming dissidents had serious negative consequences and its overall a net positive in our current situation to stop the practice as much as possible.
    Many firearms legally sold to individuals in the US are made in other countries. Implementing your suggestion would would infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Many firearms legally sold to individuals in the US are made in other countries. Implementing your suggestion would would infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans.
    Nobody gives a **** about legitimate civilian firearms imports, this is about preventing people from giving stingers to the IRA or artillery rockets to Hezbollah.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Nobody gives a **** about legitimate civilian firearms imports, this is about preventing people from giving stingers to the IRA or artillery rockets to Hezbollah.
    Or indeed to Robert Mugabe's would be overthrowers.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Or indeed to Robert Mugabe's would be overthrowers.
    The person who most recently planned a coup to overthrow Mugabe was Mugabe himself in a ploy to justify his domestic crackdown.

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