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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Unbelievable!!!!!!

    So, point out where I was specifically talking about Obama. Or, are you claiming that Obama knowingly undermined American forces on the battlefield?
    What a dodge!! You indirectly called the president a traitor.

    Puuullleease
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Let me demonstrate the difference between actual foreign policy and partisan bull****. The link below for the Heritage Foundations analysis of the treaty.

    U.N. Arms Trade Treaty's Criteria for Transfers Pose Problems for the U.S.

    They argue against the basic framework of the treaty, claiming that it will unduly hinder U.S. policy and do little to stop authoritarian regimes. In addition to providing criticism, they also provide an alternative course of action.

    Now I can't say I agree with some of the Heritage foundations arguments, but I give them credit for making a serious proposal that is actually based on reality. This "the U.N. wants to steal your guns and molest your dog" nonsense is utter garbage that has no place in real foreign policy discussion.
    One thing that keeps resonating from this article that really bothers me is the prediction that it simply won't be effective in doing what it's supposed to do, which is keeping arms out of the hands of nations that collude with terrorists, and oppressive states. Another issue is how do we define oppressive states, and terrorists? Those are broad terms, subject to individual interpretation. The outlines are too vague to be realistic, which is a stated problem. Honestly, I think we should dismiss it, just like we dismissed the Kyoto Protocol. I don't see anything good coming from it.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    What a dodge!! You indirectly called the president a traitor.

    Puuullleease
    of course he did.

    he first accused him of cutting & running, then undermining the troops, and then said such folks are traitors.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    What a dodge!! You indirectly called the president a traitor.

    Puuullleease
    Y'all need to stop wearing your feelings on your sleeves when it comes to Obama. You're embaressing yourelves.

    I'm performing patriotic duty by questioning our elected leaders and thereby questioning this treaty. It's my duty. It's nothing personal.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    ...I'm performing patriotic duty by questioning our elected leaders and thereby questioning this treaty. It's my duty. It's nothing personal.
    but it clearly is personal with you. that's the point.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

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    UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say criticsStick to the topic rather than talking about each other, please.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    One thing that keeps resonating from this article that really bothers me is the prediction that it simply won't be effective in doing what it's supposed to do, which is keeping arms out of the hands of nations that collude with terrorists, and oppressive states. Another issue is how do we define oppressive states, and terrorists? Those are broad terms, subject to individual interpretation. The outlines are too vague to be realistic, which is a stated problem. Honestly, I think we should dismiss it, just like we dismissed the Kyoto Protocol. I don't see anything good coming from it.
    Therein lies the stupidity of the treaty. Countries like Iran and China see the U.S. as an oppressive state and terrorists.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    but it clearly is personal with you. that's the point.
    When it comes to questioning our elected leaders? You're damn right it's personal.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Therein lies the stupidity of the treaty. Countries like Iran and China see the U.S. as an oppressive state and terrorists.
    Which is also noted in the article. It just seems like if we sign it, we'll be opening the doors to a lot of bull****.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Therein lies the stupidity of the treaty....
    I'd love to see the text of this evil treaty that you claim to know soo much about.

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