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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
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    What bothers me about attempting to link the political systems that were generated in societies that never had much in the way of democracy, Individual Rights, or the concept of private ownership trumping International Agreements to our rather unique national history is those same folks are quick to cite American Exceptualism when it suits them.
    Can you possibly understand how little sense that post makes?

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how would 1925 have been too late?

    it would have been a fine time.
    I couldn't agree more.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    You are misled. The General Assembly resolution which started the Internatonal Treaty process specifically states that it remains “the exclusive right of States to regulate internal transfers of arms and national ownership, including through constitutional protections on private ownership.” ... that comprehensively rules out the scaremongering nonsense being spewed around the US gun community.
    But if I wanted to buy European guns, or classic Russians or other makes there could be a problem. So no, things wouldn't be the same even provided you were correct. I am not going to support an "open" treaty that already starts in a ****ty position and can devolve from there.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Based on what examples?
    Just the stuff I've seen on their main portal. They are for 1) Reducing current small arms supplies(what do YOU think that means?) 2) slowing the creation of new weapons 3) Tracking and much more. Just go to their portal and site search it in their own words.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
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    This has been debunked long ago. The UN's treaty goes into pretty good detail that it doesn't override any nation's internal laws. The USofA, nor any other country has to abandon it's current fire arms laws, what is the bone of contention is it will severely limit the arms sales, covert and with taxpayer funding to third world petty tyrants, who FYI seem to be excellent customers of the former arsenal of democracy.

    Time to drop the BS 'defend our nation from the New World Oder blue helmets' crap. If all it takes is a few blue hats to gut our Constitution then all the loud mouths online spouting their 'blood of tyrants' stuff are all hat and no cattle.

    Steady in the ranks, wait on it, don't poop yourself until you see the whites of their eyes....
    It's an "open" treaty, they can later amend if they want to. As people have stated, it isn't complete yet. I don't give two ****s about what the U.N. wants, I know what we don't need to give up.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany,
    Neither was Nazi Germany until a little self hating Jewish guy with a small man complex convinced them to give him authority, not ask questions, and took over.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Lets go to the root question: Why the hell would U.N. states want to interfere with civilian firearms importing? What possible gain does China or Iran or Russia or Israel or South Africa get from preventing you from getting buying a Glock or G3. Do you seriously think that they sit around all day thinking of ways to trivially annoy a few Americans while twirling their mustaches? These people aren't the Brady organization, every single major player on the international scene either buys and/or sell arms in quantity. The real goal of everyone at the conference will be to try and keep weapons in the hands of their friends and out of their enemies.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Lets go to the root question: Why the hell would U.N. states want to interfere with civilian firearms importing? What possible gain does China or Iran or Russia or Israel or South Africa get from preventing you from getting buying a Glock or G3.
    We've all seen government's put agenda over gain, even our own. Think to the roots of gun control, if a country bans guns it is left up to it's people to accept or reject it, if a country relies on international opinion it becomes much easier, the larger and farther removed a governance the less accountable it is. This is a theory of course but think on it, it does make sense.
    Do you seriously think that they sit around all day thinking of ways to trivially annoy a few Americans while twirling their mustaches?
    No, but the U.N. while not a friend to America does have an agenda they want to see in action. The agenda is spelled out on their own web portal, and I do suggest that people check out some writings from assembly members.
    These people aren't the Brady organization, every single major player on the international scene either buys and/or sell arms in quantity.
    They do, but disbar their citizenry in many instances from being part of that by precluding them the right to private ownership.
    The real goal of everyone at the conference will be to try and keep weapons in the hands of their friends and out of their enemies.
    Couldn't disagree more.
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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Is it the NRA? Or is it fear mongers on the far right? Legitimate question, I stopped watching tv a long time ago because I got tired of hearing new and innovative ways on how we're all gon ****ing die every week.
    Both. The NRA guy was on TV just last week spouting his paranoid dillusions. It's was halarious, yet embarassing. And it's also the more gullible paranoids on the right as you mentioned who take the hogwash and pass it on down the line.

    It's just another part of creating this fictitious "Obama Demon."

    It's GREAT to be me. --- "45% liberal/55% conservative"
    Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy" until you can find a gun.

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    Re: UN Arms Treaty could put US gun owners in foreign sights, say critics

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Neither was Nazi Germany until a little self hating Jewish guy with a small man complex convinced them to give him authority, not ask questions, and took over.
    So you've joined apdst is his fantasy world? Well good luck fighting the nazis man, but I'll spend my time focusing on real problems and not made up ones to feed my ego and sense of self importance.

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