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In Maryland, Higher Taxes Chase Out Rich: Study(edited)

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Is there any way to edit the thread title? It should be the same as the article title, but is meant to demonstrate the point that, on the state level, at least, tax rate increases can provoke migration.

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In Maryland, Higher Taxes Chase Out Rich: Study
Published: Monday, 9 Jul 2012 | 5:13 PM ET
By: Robert Frank

CNBC News Headlines

A new report says wealthy Maryland residents may be moving out due to recent tax hikes – a finding that is sure to escalate the battle over taxing the American rich.

The study, by the anti-tax group Change Maryland, says that a net 31,000 residents left the state between 2007 and 2010, the tenure of a "millionaire's tax" pushed through by Gov. Martin O'Malley. The tax, which expired in 2010, in imposed a rate of 6.25 percent on incomes of more than $1 million a year.

The Change Maryland study found that the tax cost Maryland $1.7 billion in lost tax revenues. A county-by-county analysis by Change Maryland also found that the state’s wealthiest counties also had some of the largest population outflows.

In total, Maryland has added 24 new taxes or fees in recent years, Change Maryland says. Florida, which has no income-tax, has been a large recipient of Maryland's exiled wealthy.
 
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Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people.
 
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haymarket said:
Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people.
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You don't like federalism?
 
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haymarket said:
Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people.
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So we can all live under your tyranny? No thanks. I'd probably move to another country if that was the case, or fight a revolution in this one.
 
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Bigfoot 88 said:
So we can all live under your tyranny? No thanks. I'd probably move to another country if that was the case, or fight a revolution in this one.
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Your choice.
 
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The States need to be competitive and create options to attract a population that will benefit the state overall.

I live in NV (obviously) and we compete with CA for residents and businesses. We're very blatant about this. We have no personal income tax and we (almost deliberately) don't educate our workforce so the employers can pay relatively low wages.

If MD makes their taxes or other laws to be non-competitive, certainly they will have migration as a consequence. There's nothing wrong with that. It's nice to have choices.
 
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haymarket said:
Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people.
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Spoken like a true leftist MORON. Read the constitution, slowly and carefully, and note the LIMITTED federal powers. State and local gov'ts have MUCH more to do, as far as providing everyday gov't services, than the federal gov't, yet do it with far less taxation. To make everything federal is INSANE, as well as unconstitutional. Think, before you drink, even koolaid.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Spoken like a true leftist MORON. Read the constitution, slowly and carefully, and note the LIMITTED federal powers. State and local gov'ts have MUCH more to do, as far as providng everyday gov't services, than the federal gov't, yet do it with far less taxation. To make everything federal is INSANE, as well as unconstitutional. Think, before you drink, even koolaid.
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Why are you resorting to silly personal attacks of the playground type?

You do realize that the Constitution can be changed and has been changed......... many many times. Don't you?
 
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Neil Bergsman, director of the Maryland Budget and Tax Policy Institute, said while a number of people left the state between 2007 and 2010, others moved in. The net loss, he said, is “very small,” he said.

What’s more, he points out that the wealthy usually move because of a job change, life change or retirement rather than taxes.

“There is no evidence that tax structures are a significant determinant in their location choices,” Bergsman said.

What’s more, he said, Maryland is still minting high-earners and has among the highest incomes and highest concentration of millionaires in the country.

Other studies in New Jersey, Connecticut and Rhode Island have also failed to offer proof that taxes are the main driver of out-migration by the top earners. (See here and here). In some states, weather is a bigger driver of out-migration by the wealthy than taxes.
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Not to mention that there were some alternate economic happenings between 2007-2010, in case you didn't remember.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Spoken like a true leftist MORON. Read the constitution, slowly and carefully, and note the LIMITTED federal powers. State and local gov'ts have MUCH more to do, as far as providing everyday gov't services, than the federal gov't, yet do it with far less taxation. To make everything federal is INSANE, as well as unconstitutional. Think, before you drink, even koolaid.
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And when you move from the realm of thoughtful debate and questioning issues to the dogmatic worship of a document as infallible, you get the emotional driven ad hominem attacks rather than debate.
 
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Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?
 
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haymarket said:
Why are you resorting to silly personal attacks of the playground type?

You do realize that the Constitution can be changed and has been changed......... many many times. Don't you?
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That was the INTENT of the constitution, yes. However, as evidenced by the DOEd, the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal department, that is NOT based on any constitutional power, you are getting your "one gov't" wish by simply ignoring the constitution. There are NO federal schools, NO mention of education as a federal power and yet, we now have a HUGE (and growing) federal DOEd, playing income redistribution games and paying BRIBES to the states to accept illegal aliens.

This is FINE, and constitutional, IFF the document is so amended, yet many, including our nine robed umpires, no longer see ANY need to actually do so. It took constitutional a amendment to make the recreational drug, alcohol illegal in the entire U.S., and another to fix the mess that it created. It took NO such constitutional action, at all, to outlaw marijuana, PCP, cocaine, heroine, ecstasy or meth.

We now simply "whimp out" and meekly allow the federal gov't to do basically ANYTHING it wants by calling it "commerce" or "taxation" related, even though that was CLEARLY not the founder's intent. As the SCOTUS gets ever further away from REALITY and into cheerleading for big gov't "ideology", or having a huge federal nanny state, as Roberts recently did for PPACA, the constitution is losing ALL of its meaning.
 
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This is an issue in its infancy. Only a few visionaries are writing or talking about it. Eventually, we will be forced to decide if we can any longer afford to pit one state against the others, if we can pit one set of laws against the others, if we can afford to have state and regional winners and losers which the nation as a whole pays a price for it. I realize that such considerations are far beyond the grasp of many provincialist thinkers today. But eventually, it will be an idea that must be examined and debated.

We must decide if we are one nation with one people.
 
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NAKED N00B said:
And when you move from the realm of thoughtful debate and questioning issues to the dogmatic worship of a document as infallible, you get the emotional driven ad hominem attacks rather than debate.
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Question and debate all day, just do NOT try to say that the constitution is "bendable" to allow any and all changes. Be straight up and direct about it. If you want constitutional change, then ask for it, propose amendments and present them to the states/people for ratification, but do not pretend that the constitution does not exist, and all that is "popular" is, by definition, also constitutional.
 
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So if I leave NV and move to NM, I'm not "patriotic"? When did this happen?

Paschendale said:
Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?
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ttwtt78640 said:
Question and debate all day, just do NOT try to say that the constitution is "bendable" to allow any and all changes. Be straight up and direct about it. If you want constitutional change, then ask for it, propose amendments and present them to the states/people for ratification, but do not pretend that the constitution does not exist, and all that is "popular" is, by definition, also constitutional.
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You say that and then act a different way when someone proposes that we need to have a more centralized government. He said nothing about the constitution allowing all change. You're putting those words in his mouth. You're defending this script out of emotion at the slightest hint of someone claiming we'd be better off under a different system.

And to be honest, I think federal intervention in education is perfectly constitutional.
 
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Paschendale said:
Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?
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The rich did not get that way by being stupid. What state/local "resources" do you suspect that the rich use in direct proportion to their rates of taxation? It is my observation that the reverse is often true, that the poor use much more, per person, in gov't resources, than their taxation supports. As income rises one uses less, not more, gov't resources, yet one pays for more of it. Many rich use NO public education, for example, thus not only support public education for others, but create jobs and pay for private education as well.
 
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NAKED N00B said:
You say that and then act a different way when someone proposes that we need to have a more centralized government. He said nothing about the constitution allowing all change. You're putting those words in his mouth. You're defending this script out of emotion at the slightest hint of someone claiming we'd be better off under a different system.

And to be honest, I think federal intervention in education is perfectly constitutional.
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Federal education "intervention" based on what? Education is clearly not a federal power granted by the constitution.
 
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NAKED N00B said:
You say that and then act a different way when someone proposes that we need to have a more centralized government. He said nothing about the constitution allowing all change. You're putting those words in his mouth. You're defending this script out of emotion at the slightest hint of someone claiming we'd be better off under a different system.

And to be honest, I think federal intervention in education is perfectly constitutional.
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Oh for gods sake, "Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people."---that is a direct advocation for more fed intervention into taxation.

Undoing federal systems of taxation and bureacracy is near to impossible. It is easier with the states as the states are more responsive to their constituents, Fed? Not so much.
 
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NAKED N00B said:
Not to mention that there were some alternate economic happenings between 2007-2010, in case you didn't remember.
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Care to name these Maryland "altenate economic happenings" that you speak of?
 
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haymarket said:
Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people.
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and a King! We need a King! All Hail the royal Bushs!
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Federal education "intervention" based on what? Education is clearly not a federal power granted by the constitution.
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Education is a national issue. It's crucial to our global competitiveness. A well educated populous is clearly necessary for commerce.
 
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Phoenix said:
and a King! We need a King! All Hail the royal Bushs!
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that is simply silly. The issue of one nation with one people and one set of laws is something beyond the understanding of many now due to their own provinciality and limited grasp of what is necessary for America to compete on a world wide basis.

But a time will come when this issue will the THE issue of the day.
 
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