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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Spoken like a true leftist MORON. Read the constitution, slowly and carefully, and note the LIMITTED federal powers. State and local gov'ts have MUCH more to do, as far as providing everyday gov't services, than the federal gov't, yet do it with far less taxation. To make everything federal is INSANE, as well as unconstitutional. Think, before you drink, even koolaid.
    And when you move from the realm of thoughtful debate and questioning issues to the dogmatic worship of a document as infallible, you get the emotional driven ad hominem attacks rather than debate.
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    Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?
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    Re: Targets of Liberal Tax Mania Vote with Their Feet

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why are you resorting to silly personal attacks of the playground type?

    You do realize that the Constitution can be changed and has been changed......... many many times. Don't you?
    That was the INTENT of the constitution, yes. However, as evidenced by the DOEd, the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal department, that is NOT based on any constitutional power, you are getting your "one gov't" wish by simply ignoring the constitution. There are NO federal schools, NO mention of education as a federal power and yet, we now have a HUGE (and growing) federal DOEd, playing income redistribution games and paying BRIBES to the states to accept illegal aliens.

    This is FINE, and constitutional, IFF the document is so amended, yet many, including our nine robed umpires, no longer see ANY need to actually do so. It took constitutional a amendment to make the recreational drug, alcohol illegal in the entire U.S., and another to fix the mess that it created. It took NO such constitutional action, at all, to outlaw marijuana, PCP, cocaine, heroine, ecstasy or meth.

    We now simply "whimp out" and meekly allow the federal gov't to do basically ANYTHING it wants by calling it "commerce" or "taxation" related, even though that was CLEARLY not the founder's intent. As the SCOTUS gets ever further away from REALITY and into cheerleading for big gov't "ideology", or having a huge federal nanny state, as Roberts recently did for PPACA, the constitution is losing ALL of its meaning.
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    This is an issue in its infancy. Only a few visionaries are writing or talking about it. Eventually, we will be forced to decide if we can any longer afford to pit one state against the others, if we can pit one set of laws against the others, if we can afford to have state and regional winners and losers which the nation as a whole pays a price for it. I realize that such considerations are far beyond the grasp of many provincialist thinkers today. But eventually, it will be an idea that must be examined and debated.

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    Re: Targets of Liberal Tax Mania Vote with Their Feet

    Quote Originally Posted by NAKED N00B View Post
    And when you move from the realm of thoughtful debate and questioning issues to the dogmatic worship of a document as infallible, you get the emotional driven ad hominem attacks rather than debate.
    Question and debate all day, just do NOT try to say that the constitution is "bendable" to allow any and all changes. Be straight up and direct about it. If you want constitutional change, then ask for it, propose amendments and present them to the states/people for ratification, but do not pretend that the constitution does not exist, and all that is "popular" is, by definition, also constitutional.
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    So if I leave NV and move to NM, I'm not "patriotic"? When did this happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?

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    Re: Targets of Liberal Tax Mania Vote with Their Feet

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Question and debate all day, just do NOT try to say that the constitution is "bendable" to allow any and all changes. Be straight up and direct about it. If you want constitutional change, then ask for it, propose amendments and present them to the states/people for ratification, but do not pretend that the constitution does not exist, and all that is "popular" is, by definition, also constitutional.
    You say that and then act a different way when someone proposes that we need to have a more centralized government. He said nothing about the constitution allowing all change. You're putting those words in his mouth. You're defending this script out of emotion at the slightest hint of someone claiming we'd be better off under a different system.

    And to be honest, I think federal intervention in education is perfectly constitutional.
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    Re: Targets of Liberal Tax Mania Vote with Their Feet

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Rich people who used the resources of their home states or country to amass wealth threaten to leave when it's not quite as cushy as it was before and we don't question their patriotism?
    The rich did not get that way by being stupid. What state/local "resources" do you suspect that the rich use in direct proportion to their rates of taxation? It is my observation that the reverse is often true, that the poor use much more, per person, in gov't resources, than their taxation supports. As income rises one uses less, not more, gov't resources, yet one pays for more of it. Many rich use NO public education, for example, thus not only support public education for others, but create jobs and pay for private education as well.
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    Re: Targets of Liberal Tax Mania Vote with Their Feet

    Quote Originally Posted by NAKED N00B View Post
    You say that and then act a different way when someone proposes that we need to have a more centralized government. He said nothing about the constitution allowing all change. You're putting those words in his mouth. You're defending this script out of emotion at the slightest hint of someone claiming we'd be better off under a different system.

    And to be honest, I think federal intervention in education is perfectly constitutional.
    Federal education "intervention" based on what? Education is clearly not a federal power granted by the constitution.
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    Re: Targets of Liberal Tax Mania Vote with Their Feet

    Quote Originally Posted by NAKED N00B View Post
    You say that and then act a different way when someone proposes that we need to have a more centralized government. He said nothing about the constitution allowing all change. You're putting those words in his mouth. You're defending this script out of emotion at the slightest hint of someone claiming we'd be better off under a different system.

    And to be honest, I think federal intervention in education is perfectly constitutional.
    Oh for gods sake, "Stories like this demonstrate the necessity to be one nation with one set of laws for one people."---that is a direct advocation for more fed intervention into taxation.

    Undoing federal systems of taxation and bureacracy is near to impossible. It is easier with the states as the states are more responsive to their constituents, Fed? Not so much.

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