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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Building illegal and unsafe buildings are not rights.
    Nor are they "expressions of belief"
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Building illegal and unsafe buildings are not rights.

    Went back to re-read the article because I thought I'd missed a building ready to collapse.

    These were the violations:

    The charges that sent Salman to jail were a result of that raid – ranging from not posting exit lights above their doors – to not having handicap ramps or handicap parking.


    And the reason sited for the beginning of the bug tussle was:

    Salman’s incarceration is the result of a long-running feud between the ordained pastor and the city of Phoenix over weekly Bible studies that Salman and his wife hosted in their home. City officials determined that the weekly gatherings constituted a church – and therefore violated a number of code regulations.

    I didn't see any mention about neighbors complaining about the group meeting. So it seems to have started with the "ordained pastor" complaining to the city about the "bible study" group meeting. Turf war?

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Went back to re-read the article because I thought I'd missed a building ready to collapse.

    These were the violations:

    The charges that sent Salman to jail were a result of that raid – ranging from not posting exit lights above their doors – to not having handicap ramps or handicap parking.


    And the reason sited for the beginning of the bug tussle was:

    Salman’s incarceration is the result of a long-running feud between the ordained pastor and the city of Phoenix over weekly Bible studies that Salman and his wife hosted in their home. City officials determined that the weekly gatherings constituted a church – and therefore violated a number of code regulations.

    I didn't see any mention about neighbors complaining about the group meeting. So it seems to have started with the "ordained pastor" complaining to the city about the "bible study" group meeting. Turf war?
    You've done a poor job of reading. The "ordained pastor" didn't complain to the city. The "ordained pastor" is Salman
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You've done a poor job of reading. The "ordained pastor" didn't complain to the city. The "ordained pastor" is Salman
    You're right.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    And worshiping as you see fit isn't a civil right? IMO it is and I don't care if you want to worship bull poop, it's your right.
    Nobody is stopping him from worshipping as he sees fit, they're just requiring him to follow the existing laws. If he'd just go build his church in a properly zoned spot, complete with building permits and inspections, nobody would bother him. The fact that he's trying to do it in his backyard and get around the law is the problem.

    I am so sick and tired of religious zealots trying to turn this into a religious issue when it's anything but. Faith is not a "get out of jail" free card.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    It seems some people really really want this to be about religion when it clearly isn`t. It is about a guy refusing to follow city codes.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That's not "protest". That's just breaking the law. And he wasn't told he couldn't run a church. He was told he couldn't run a church w/o meeting code.
    He wasn't told he couldn't run a church, he was told he couldn't run a church in that location and under those conditions. Instead of complying with the law and moving his church elsewhere, he chose to ignore the law and is now playing the religion card because the law finally came in and shut him down.

    What a hypocrite.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

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    Let me ask you, what's you general opinion of the founders?
    Some of them were fine men. Others were flawed individuals who embraced slavery with open arms. And that has precisely what to do with what?
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Building illegal and unsafe buildings are not rights.
    They were not unsafe. All the codes do is present an unreasonable barrier to expression of multiple rights.
    “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.”
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    It seems some people really really want this to be about religion when it clearly isn`t. It is about a guy refusing to follow city codes.
    Some people want this to be about codes, when it clearly isn't.
    “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.”
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