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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK, I will respond to your apples to moonrocks comparison post. It was not building code violations, or religion, it was zoning law infractions that landed the "home owner" in jail.
    Sixty-seven zoning violations? That is unlikely. One of the articles I read said he did not have the right signs up, the exit doors were not big enough and he had insufficient fire suppression (sprinkler heads).
    I do not believe city governments should ever be able to put someone in jail for building code violations.

    Residential means just that, a place to live, and yes, occasional social gatherings are OK. The regular mass meetings (for ANY reason stated in the law), blocking the street and denying the neighbors use of parking, was violating the zoning laws on a regular basis. Pretending that this was NOT a violation of the law, based on "home use rights" or "religious freedom" did not work, and should not work, just as your right to swing your arm freely ends where my nose begins.
    I am sympathetic to the complaint that he was a nuisance. I am not sympathetic to a city jailing him for being a nuisance.

    He was charged with a local law violation, tried in court, found guilty and sentenced to jail.
    I don't believe anyone said he wasn't.

    The Obama immigration law issue is frustrating, as deciding to ignore federal law enforcement is not a presidential power yet, short of impeachemnt, there is nothing that can be done about it. It violates no local ordinance so DC police can not jail him.
    Nevertheless, which is more damaging?

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    It's not a question of more damaging, You don't like Obama I get it. The dems said same stuff about Bush, before that republicans said it about Clinton, etc... Obama has done some stuff that I disagree with, the system isn't perfect but you are going off topic.
    Do you seriously think this guy should just continue to flout the law because Obama does?
    It is a question of which is more damaging. Will this guy's building code violations and that he is a big nuisance ever impact your life?
    What about the one term Marxist's ignoring the courts and failure to enforce the laws?

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is a question of which is more damaging. Will this guy's building code violations and that he is a big nuisance ever impact your life?
    What about the one term Marxist's ignoring the courts and failure to enforce the laws?
    No this thread is about this guy not Obama you are trying to hijack the thread. Don't forget that millions of Americans do not think Obama has doen anythign ilelgal but that Bush shoudl be behind bars along with Cheney. In other words you are trying to bring national politics into a municipal dispute.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No constitutional freedoms appear to have been overridden here.
    . . .The city obviously tried to get him to stop 67 violations anyone. he obviously ignored them. it is not a case of some hapless guy who is a victim of the system it is a caase of a guy abusing the system to the detriment of others. They tried to get him to stop, he refused. What would you have them do add another 67 infrigemts? then another 67 at what point do you admit this guy is a complete retrobate who will never obey the law unless forced to? Was jail the best solution? I'm not sure but the more I read on this guy the more it seems like it was probably the only option other than repossesing his home to get him out of there.
    Fines should have been sufficient. If safety was a factor did they shut down his right to hold meetings until he proved he complied?

    I had the county come out to inspect my house. They would not let me move in until I put up railings. I spent more than a thousand dollars to comply so I could move in. The inspector did not care that in the next week we were going to have large bushes put in. We tore everything out and put in the bushes as planned after we received approval to move in.

    The inspector said babies could fall off the ledge and die. I was 55 at the time. The house is more than 200 feet off the street. There were not only no babies there were no young children. But a bureaucrat is, first and foremost, a bureaucrat.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    No this thread is about this guy not Obama you are trying to hijack the thread. Don't forget that millions of Americans do not think Obama has doen anythign ilelgal but that Bush shoudl be behind bars along with Cheney. In other words you are trying to bring national politics into a municipal dispute.
    If it is reasonable to put a man in jail for two months for building code violations why not, at a minimum, toss out the president for ignoring the courts and for not enforcing the nation's laws?

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    I think we need a new "rule" for when threads go full on anti-Obama.

    Like using Hitler "Godwin's" a thread...
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Fines should have been sufficient. If safety was a factor did they shut down his right to hold meetings until he proved he complied?

    I had the county come out to inspect my house. They would not let me move in until I put up railings. I spent more than a thousand dollars to comply so I could move in. The inspector did not care that in the next week we were going to have large bushes put in. We tore everything out and put in the bushes as planned after we received approval to move in.

    The inspector said babies could fall off the ledge and die. I was 55 at the time. The house is more than 200 feet off the street. There were not only no babies there were no young children. But a bureaucrat is, first and foremost, a bureaucrat.
    I agree fines should have been enough, Only this guy ignored the fines and refused to comply. When dealing with reasonable people reasonable methods usually work. This guy was not trying to be reasonable. How many times do they fine someone who refuses to pay or change his ways before you take it to another level? What would that level be?
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If jail time is good ffor this private citizen because he "ignored" the law then why not for the chief law enforcement officer? Just tell me that.

    Like anyone believes you'd be as lenient in opinion if he were arrested after a public morning Muslim call to prayer.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Well to me - the fact that the guy, which his bible group members called "Pastor" was being "dishonest" about what was going on. He was operating a church. Soooo, the religious guy, who is called "pastor" apparently hasn't been doing sermons on "lying".

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    The government has already given Salman every break and his arrest and criminal record via police and courts proves he actions were illegal and repetitious.

    "Rev" Michael Salman doesn't even have a degree from any major seminary. He has been arrested and found guilty of numerous offenses including hindering traffic, criminal conspiracy, and numerous other criminal charges, plus investigated repeatedly for his personal affiliations with organizations considered terrorist and anarchical organizations. That he protests government as shown on his website isn't any defense and rather just confirms he is an unstable radical nutcase.

    Obviously Rev. Salman is a fraud, a deliberate trouble-maker, refuses to comply with law, causes many problems for other people and he refuses to learn.

    So it is entirely appropriate to:
    1.) impose fines so great that he loses his house where he organizes his activities.
    2.) Certainly jailing him for 6 months is appropriate and
    3.) then putting him on years of probation allows the government to control and monitor all his movements and activities.

    He was given every opportunity to change, be social and get along with people plus follow the rules. Since lesser arrests and punishments failed, such strict punitive and control measures are appropriate and he has no basis to complain. He is clearly a dangerous malcontent, refuses to comply with law and should live with the same rules everyone else does. Since he absolutely won't, the harsh economic, imprisonment and government control and monitoring of him actions against him are reasonable and necessary.
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