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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This situation works for the good reverend. He loves to preach and now he will have a "captive" audience. Maybe he will learn to obey the law and not think he is above the law.

    Here is his bio.. About Pastor Michael Salman

    Your link explains why the government despises him. He politically involves.

    You will not find the right to no one parking in front of your house in the Bill of Rights, but there are neighborhood control freak hotheads who go berserk if anyone does claiming they also own the street. Petty little people looking for something to rage about.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What a joke to write he didn't commitment a violate unless he told anyone.

    People are control freaks and many if not most totally hate anyone different from them and therefore what there different behavior criminalized and the person jailed.
    Geez, maybe it's me, I do feel kind of different from a "reverend" who committed a drive-by shooting, firing 5 shots into an occupied house, was sentenced to 6 years in prison, has formally listed his home as a church with the Arizona Corporation Commission, has been involved in numerous court appearances after his felony arrest including harassment, all while claiming the church he listed as non-profit religious organization which is the same address as his home, is not a church.

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    Middle class urban and suburban white people tend to the most control freak, whiny and petty people.

    To them the number #1 (non-existent) human right is "property values" and they can go ape s...t crazy if someone parks in front of their house without their permission, they don't like how a neighbor's yard looks or kid acts, or OMG a neighbor's leave blows into their yard.

    Jailing that person for 6 months is so obscene and of such totalitarian control government it shows the American revolution for personal freedom is long since dead. Sadly, because people are so intensely hatedul of anyone different from them this is what people want. When you don't have a life, live your life hating and whining about out people.

    But you are correct, if he held Muslim servives the media would be raging that the Phoenix city government is a bunch of right wing religious bigots. Being Christian is the being the modern n....ger to many people and we all know that N...gers have no rights and must be restrained and controlled, and certainly not allowed to congregate. Certainly no one wants a bunch of n...gers parked in front of THEIR house.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    So does the zoning laws override the constitution, for example freedom of religion?
    If the zoning law says "You can't practice religion in any manner within your home or a residential area" that's a violation.

    If the zoning law says, "You can't run a church out of a residence" that isn't a violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Geez, maybe it's me, I do feel kind of different from a "reverend" who committed a drive-by shooting, firing 5 shots into an occupied house, was sentenced to 6 years in prison, has formally listed his home as a church with the Arizona Corporation Commission, has been involved in numerous court appearances after his felony arrest including harassment, all while claiming the church he listed as non-profit religious organization which is the same address as his home, is not a church.

    So REALLY it is the local government getting the bad guy and finding a way to do it. Oh how nice.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So REALLY it is the local government getting the bad guy and finding a way to do it. Oh how nice.
    I want to visit this version of reality some time.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Middle class urban and suburban white people tend to the most control freak, whiny and petty people.

    To them the number #1 (non-existent) human right is "property values" and they can go ape s...t crazy if someone parks in front of their house without their permission, they don't like how a neighbor's yard looks or kid acts, or OMG a neighbor's leave blows into their yard.

    Jailing that person for 6 months is so obscene and of such totalitarian control government it shows the American revolution for personal freedom is long since dead. Sadly, because people are so intensely hatedul of anyone different from them this is what people want. When you don't have a life, live your life hating and whining about out people.

    But you are correct, if he held Muslim servives the media would be raging that the Phoenix city government is a bunch of right wing religious bigots. Being Christian is the being the modern n....ger to many people and we all know that N...gers have no rights and must be restrained and controlled, and certainly not allowed to congregate. Certainly no one wants a bunch of n...gers parked in front of THEIR house.
    Joko, you are soooooo off base on this one you are making a fool out of yourself. The thread has a great deal of information and links to information about Salman that you clearly are not aware of. One link is for a 7 or 8 page article that does a pretty good job in outlining the facts - which you don't have - starting with the fact that Salam and most, if not all, of his "congregants" are not black! Imagine that.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your link explains why the government despises him. He politically involves.

    You will not find the right to no one parking in front of your house in the Bill of Rights, but there are neighborhood control freak hotheads who go berserk if anyone does claiming they also own the street. Petty little people looking for something to rage about.
    Politically involves? He was in Washington DC and had his picture taken. There was no political involvement referred to in his bio. I would be upset as well if there were throngs of people parked on the street I live on. Tends to muck up the egress and flow of traffic.

    This "preacher" should have obtained the proper permits no more, no less.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Salman did try to run for a city council seat in the middle of all his fights with Phoenix - not successful
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    So does the zoning laws override the constitution, for example freedom of religion?
    No constitutional freedoms appear to have been overridden here.

    Freedom of religion is not freedom to do whatever you want and to hell with everybody else. people seem to be confused on what freedom is. You have the freedom to do what you want as long as you are NOT infringing on others. This guy was clearly infringing on his neighbors and he appears to have been doing so with malicious intent. The city obviously tried to get him to stop 67 violations anyone. he obviously ignored them. it is not a case of some hapless guy who is a victim of the system it is a caase of a guy abusing the system to the detriment of others. They tried to get him to stop, he refused. What would you have them do add another 67 infrigemts? then another 67 at what point do you admit this guy is a complete retrobate who will never obey the law unless forced to? Was jail the best solution? I'm not sure but the more I read on this guy the more it seems like it was probably the only option other than repossesing his home to get him out of there.
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