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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Pastor jailed for holding home bible studies - San Diego Christianity & Culture | Examiner.com

    seems this is about code violations
    not about violating anyone's right to assembly or religion
    he should cure the code violations and conduct his weekly parties, Bible optional


    jail time for this appears excessive
    fine him for the violations
    add penalties and interest for any unpaid fines
    then get a judgment and levy against the property
    he will either comply, continue to pay heavy fines or have his property sold to cover delinquent fines/penalties/interest
    The codes are the violation of someones right to assembly and religion.

    How is it any different than poll taxes? We should not have to jump throw hoops to satisfy those who do not like our assembly, or our religion, or our speech.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What black history month meetings? Dude - you're usually pretty good at comparisons but this is ridiculous. This was a guy trying to have a church at his house and violating city ordinances in doing so. That's it. It's clear cut. You don't need to make hyperbolic comparisons to get your point across. If he had complied with laws regarding such regularly held events (which I can assume include safety codes, noise laws, etc.) I'm sure the city would have let him have his way. However he didn't. In fact - he had 67 such violations.
    I agree with you... I was just pointing out that had it been another hyper sensitive group that was targeted (on the left) we would be hearing about it just as well.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    The codes are the violation of someones right to assembly and religion.

    How is it any different than poll taxes? We should not have to jump throw hoops to satisfy those who do not like our assembly, or our religion, or our speech.
    Don't know what the code violations were but most of them are to keep the city/town working in an orderly fashion. If it was because he was runnign a church in a residential area not zoned for a church then yeah he shoudl get crap for it. Sorry but If i own a house and my neighbour starts running a church out of it with 40-50 people weekly then I'd be pissed as this jerk is reducing my propertyy values causing traffic problems etc. and forgetting the love thy neighbor crap by being a total jerk. If the city created new codes just to persecute this giy then I think he has been wronged but If they are on the books before he started his "bible study group" then he is being a jerk plain and simple he has no more right to disregard the rules than anyone else whether it be religious motivation or not on his part.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    The codes are the violation of someones right to assembly and religion.

    How is it any different than poll taxes? We should not have to jump throw hoops to satisfy those who do not like our assembly, or our religion, or our speech.
    Except what you are saying is out of context. It doesn't apply to the Michael Hashem Salam. The man violated a load of civil codes in building a church in his backyard and applied for tax exemptions while claiming that he didn't build a church in his backyard, but rather a building for a few friends to meet which at the same time registering his church's name with the Arizona Corporation Commission and using his home address.

    Sound rather confusing as if there might be some double dealing going on? Bingo! It isn't about religion. This convicted felon has a history of trying to game the system.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    We have the data.

    We have the right to our religion, we have the right to assemble, we have the right to speak... Pick one, any one, it doesn't matter.
    But you don't have the right to violate zoning laws and city code to exercise any other right.

    Kind of like needing a permit to arrange a protest on public property, you know.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    But you don't have the right to violate zoning laws and city code to exercise any other right.

    Kind of like needing a permit to arrange a protest on public property, you know.
    What some people are saying is that they've never really had a problem with city codes until somebody protested city codes in the name of the Lord. Same codes applied everywhere, but when you say the Jesus then the codes suddenly become hateful and anti-religious.

    So if you Salam decides to dig a slit trench in his yard for his friends, who drop by to worship, and his friend use the open trench as a bathroom that would be fine with some posters here as long as the violation was in the name of the Lord? Oh, and while all that is going on Salam registers the building with the state as a church, but whines and boo hoos to the public and Beck and Fox News that it isn't a church.

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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    What some people are saying is that they've never really had a problem with city codes until somebody protested city codes in the name of the Lord. Same codes applied everywhere, but when you say the Jesus then the codes suddenly become hateful and anti-religious.

    So if you Salam decides to dig a slit trench in his yard for his friends, who drop by to worship, and his friend use the open trench as a bathroom that would be fine with some posters here as long as the violation was in the name of the Lord? Oh, and while all that is going on Salam registers the building with the state as a church, but whines and boo hoos to the public and Beck and Fox News that it isn't a church.
    Everybody's got a persecution complex.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

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    Nope not a church.
    Doesn't everyone have a huge cross, and marquee in their front yard?
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
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    Nope not a church.
    Doesn't everyone have a huge cross, and marquee in their front yard?
    attending church doesn't make you a christian any more than standing in a garage makes you an automobile....

    lots of people use churches to scam the gullible public, but even scammers should have to obey the rules designed to protect the rest of the public.
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    Re: Homeowner Jailed for Hosting Bible Study

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't mind, as long as their horses don't bother the other animals in the yard. First time their horses bother the home animals, then it's time for that horse to go.
    You would however mind the large piles of brownish blackish wet looking charcoal briquets in your yard.

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