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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    No.. I know them pretty well.. and that's not accurate.

    The rift is between the clerics and everyone else including the Al Saud.
    It's more complex than that. The al-Saud is itself a divided family and it can be very difficult to discern who is in the ascendant and what contours will actually emerge. The death of Nayef and the weakening of the Sudairi branch may be a blessing in terms of strengthening Abdullah and his wing, but there is a vast amount of varied issues that need to be addressed and it is unclear what positions will be taken. Among the clerical establishment there is again a division and a paradox. The clerics represent the strongest alliance the al-Saud has in terms of providing institutional Islamic legitimacy, and inculcating that from cradle to the grave, and allowing the al-Saud to have themselves written into official doctrine. Likewise the clerics require the al-Saud's support so that their largesse and salaries will remain forthcoming as well as the means for continued ministering in the Kingdom and overseas. However attempts to move forward socially have drawn fiery criticism from the clerical body both online and occasionally in public statements, while simultaneously tapping into deeply conservative elements in Saudi society (made so by their education and religious upbringing). The al-Saud is then confronted with the problem of maintaining legitimacy and stability whilst trying to move forward enough to keep pace with social change from below, while also not upsetting the balance and setting off a reactionary wave from those they are ostensibly in alliance with and ruling over.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

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    In regard to our civilian-population here in the US we're not much different . . . I remember quite clearly being disgusted when the women The View laughed at the man whose wife cut off his penis and threw it in the food disposal.

    It seems that heinous and malicious anti-gender behavior is a tragic part of overall human nature. . .governments might be different.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Were you US Navy? Clearly you have studied the situation in KSA and have an excellent grasp of the situation..

    Nayef was pretty much a hardliner.. didn't like the movies. lolol and he was in charge of the mutaween. I know Salman and like him. I also like Abdllah very much, but he is getting up there. I have been wtching for 50 years and the course of even small reforms is slow but the mechanism is always the same.. Like the mutaween pests being thrown out of the international book fair last year.

    I'm tempted to ask if your first name is Mike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It's more complex than that. The al-Saud is itself a divided family and it can be very difficult to discern who is in the ascendant and what contours will actually emerge. The death of Nayef and the weakening of the Sudairi branch may be a blessing in terms of strengthening Abdullah and his wing, but there is a vast amount of varied issues that need to be addressed and it is unclear what positions will be taken. Among the clerical establishment there is again a division and a paradox. The clerics represent the strongest alliance the al-Saud has in terms of providing institutional Islamic legitimacy, and inculcating that from cradle to the grave, and allowing the al-Saud to have themselves written into official doctrine. Likewise the clerics require the al-Saud's support so that their largesse and salaries will remain forthcoming as well as the means for continued ministering in the Kingdom and overseas. However attempts to move forward socially have drawn fiery criticism from the clerical body both online and occasionally in public statements, while simultaneously tapping into deeply conservative elements in Saudi society (made so by their education and religious upbringing). The al-Saud is then confronted with the problem of maintaining legitimacy and stability whilst trying to move forward enough to keep pace with social change from below, while also not upsetting the balance and setting off a reactionary wave from those they are ostensibly in alliance with and ruling over.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
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    In regard to our civilian-population here in the US we're not much different . . . I remember quite clearly being disgusted when the women The View laughed at the man whose wife cut off his penis and threw it in the food disposal.

    It seems that heinous and malicious anti-gender behavior is a tragic part of overall human nature. . .governments might be different.
    What do you mean we aren't that different?

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    It saddens me and makes me wonder how the general population puts up with the Taliban.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What do you mean we aren't that different?
    People. Gang Violence. Humanity.

    Every nation on the earth has it's share of absurd, vile or inane human behavior - it's all wrong, but it's not centralized just to "that part of the world" which is how I feel a lot of people think.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
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    In regard to our civilian-population here in the US we're not much different . . . I remember quite clearly being disgusted when the women The View laughed at the man whose wife cut off his penis and threw it in the food disposal.

    It seems that heinous and malicious anti-gender behavior is a tragic part of overall human nature. . .governments might be different.
    Are you kidding me? I have never watched the View..

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Were you US Navy? Clearly you have studied the situation in KSA and have an excellent grasp of the situation..

    Nayef was pretty much a hardliner.. didn't like the movies. lolol and he was in charge of the mutaween. I know Salman and like him. I also like Abdllah very much, but he is getting up there. I have been wtching for 50 years and the course of even small reforms is slow but the mechanism is always the same.. Like the mutaween pests being thrown out of the international book fair last year.

    I'm tempted to ask if your first name is Mike.
    Cant say it is, but I appreciate it, it is somewhat what I do for a living. I think the situation has become critical with regard to stability at the top of the Saudi Monarchy, putting Salman in charge seems to be a delusional approach. They need serious movement on real governmental reform, even if it isn't democratic. But playing geriatric boggle and seeing what comes up isn't going to cut it.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Are you kidding me? I have never watched the View..
    Sharon Osborne is twisted - to say the least.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    People. Gang Violence. Humanity.

    Every nation on the earth has it's share of absurd, vile or inane human behavior - it's all wrong, but it's not centralized just to "that part of the world" which is how I feel a lot of people think.
    One behavior is the act of an individual and its not condone by the State and its religion.

    The Islamic behavior is condone by both to a large degree.

    Which one is more vile and dangerous...

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