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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Also bear in mind that Dhimmitude was a protected status exempting Christians and Jews from military conscription and the taxes that Muslims had to pay.

    While I agree the dhimmi system was rather tolerent for it's time, especially compared to what was going on in europe, it hardly presented some modern, enlightened view of other monastic religions (and the treatment of polytheists is a whole different matter)
    the people of the book, or scriptuaries, are the jews, sabians, and christians who believed in Allah butm according to muslim creed, who distorted their scriptures and fell in Allah's disfavor. When allah sent the last of his prophets to call them to the truth, they accepted belief in allah, but not his prophet or the quran. hence the scriptuaries like the polytheists must be punished; but since they believed in Allah, they are only partially liable to punishment
    war and peace in the law of islam, Majid Khadduri, pge 80

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    While I agree the dhimmi system was rather tolerent for it's time, especially compared to what was going on in europe, it hardly presented some modern, enlightened view of other monastic religions (and the treatment of polytheists is a whole different matter)0
    Sure its not tolerant attal by todays standards but thats why it should be taken in historical context when it comes to evaluating which religion is inherently more this that and the other (hence my continued babbling on about Francoist Spain and Ustasha controlled Croatia, which where far more backwards and bloodthirsty and far more recent).

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    No it started when feudal landlords and allied fundamentalists tried to overthrow the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan with the help of the C.I.A
    You're talking about the 1930's uprising?
    To be sure, mullahs had mobalized opposition to the govt in Kabul in the past. In the 1920's they spearheaded resistence against King Amanullah's attempts to strengthen the power of the central govtthrough laws limiting clerical authority , imposing new taxes, enforcing conscriptions, compelling the adoption of western style hats and suits, and introducing legal changes relating to the family, marriage, and the unveiling of women. During the same period, many also opposed the education of girls and the appreence of women outside the home
    the taliban and the crisis of Afghanistan, pge 36

    the same author on the civil war in the 70's
    Paradoxically, the more dangerous threat to the Afghan monarchy came from the left, and it was the Afghan Marxists who, in turn, triggered the emergence of a powerful clerical opposition. The Marxists resort to violence in 1978 following their seizure of power in April provoked resistence led by Muslims leaders. From 1978 they challanged the policies of the communists, who like the afghan modernists reformers of the 1920's, had made the transformation of the status of women a central part of their program of state intervention in Afghan society. Clerics defended traditional marriage practices targeted by the regime (such as the payment of a compensation to the bride's family) and resisted the regime's frequintly violent campaign against illiteracy, which also focused on women. For their part, women in kabul and elsewhere joined the resistence; in places like kabul many adopted the veil as a symbol of their opposition to the new govt.
    ibid, page 37

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Sure its not tolerant attal by todays standards but thats why it should be taken in historical context when it comes to evaluating which religion is inherently more this that and the other (hence my continued babbling on about Francoist Spain and Ustasha controlled Croatia, which where far more backwards and bloodthirsty and far more recent).
    I completely agree. I just get annoyed when some people try to run with the above and declare it as a truly tolerant society (i doubt anyone can even claim such today).

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    You're talking about the 1930's uprising?

    the taliban and the crisis of Afghanistan, pge 36

    the same author on the civil war in the 70's

    ibid, page 37
    I was thinking more Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but either way the fundamentalism they represent is not inherent to Afganistan as a country (Again a wine industry flourished in Afganistan for milienia) the Mujahideen/Taliban only came to power by pissing less people off then the Soviets. (As is the case today) Its not Sweden by any stretch of the imagination but Afghanistan has a far more tolerant history then many would presume.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    the above book I mentioned has an awesome essay in it on the ability of the taliban to spread and take over afghanistan, despite of the failures of people like Hekmatyar. I need to reread it before I feel comfortable discussing it, but I think the general idea was hekmatyar was a child of the saudis, while the taliban offered a more Pashtun friendly view of things (there was also lots of discussion on how they approached recruiting, surrenders, and defections, and the fact they offered stability, as well)

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The orthodoxy of Islam is generally unreformed and this remains a serious problem since it is less amenable to liberalization and reform. Why? Because how do you reform a divinely directed legal code? Anyways as I said before I think it is a problem to try and equivocate because it obscures very real and very significant problems and discussions.
    doesn't the deobondi represent a reform movement?

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Show me an example of this prior to the mujaheddin uprising. Afghanistan was once a net exporter of wine.

    Every time you say "Islam is a peaceful religion" a fairy gets honor killed.



    Presumably if honor killings had majority support this would be reflected electorally. Why do you think so few people in Pakistan and Bangladesh vote for Jamat?


    I dont have to show you evidence of anything in the past...I live in today

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I dont have to show you evidence of anything in the past...I live in today
    Awesome

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I dont have to show you evidence of anything in the past...I live in today
    I like the cut of your jib, sailor

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