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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by NameGoesHere View Post
    Yes and no. A lot of what people interpret as Islam is in fact a cultural norm that was integrated into their belief system. They need to be brought into the 21st century. I don't see that happening for many places any time soon.
    They need to bring themselves in. Nothing else will make it an authentic progressive move.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I don't know enough about the deep details of Islam to comment, but I can say this. I have friends from Indonesia who are Muslim, and the last thing any of them would ever do is support violence against anyone for being Jewish or Christian or American or Israeli. They're as far from being terrorists as you can get. I suspect the hostility and violent tendencies may vary from one Islamic country to another.
    Indonesia is considered one of the more moderate Islamic states, but even that country returns some alarming polling data

    In the predominantly Muslim nations surveyed, views of Jews are largely unfavorable. Nearly all in Jordan (97%), the Palestinian territories (97%) and Egypt (95%) hold an unfavorable view. Similarly, 98% of Lebanese express an unfavorable opinion of Jews, including 98% among both Sunni and Shia Muslims, as well as 97% of Lebanese Christians. By contrast, only 35% of Israeli Arabs express a negative opinion of Jews, while 56% voice a favorable opinion.

    Negative views of Jews are also widespread in the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed in Asia: More than seven-in-ten in Pakistan (78%) and Indonesia (74%) express unfavorable opinions. A majority in Turkey (73%) also hold a critical view....


    ...Negative views of Christians are common in Pakistan, where 61% hold an unfavorable opinion. Indonesians are divided: many (43%) express an unfavorable opinion of Christians, while just as many (45%) voice the opposite favorable view. Overall, only one-in-five (21%) in Nigeria express a negative view of Christians. However, nearly four-in-ten (39%) Nigerian Muslims hold this opinion.
    Chapter 3. Views of Religious Groups | Pew Global Attitudes Project

    and the figures showing support for violence are rather high
    When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law; in Nigeria, 51% of Muslims favor and 46% oppose it. In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and 76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia.
    Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah | Pew Global Attitudes Project

    Also, if your friends are immigrants, then that isn't exactly the best indicator to judge the general population by

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    It may be a sin to commit suicide under Islam, but it seems that suicide bombers are given a special dispensation by the sponsoring Islamic States.
    What/who qualifies as an Islamic state?

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You have to take into account their culture and religion, relative to what freedom is. If you've been living under a dictatorship for decades, and your religion dictates that authoritarianism is normal, and to be expected, then the slightest movement to the left of what you know, is freedom. If you've been in prison for years, then get parolled, and moved to a halfway house, then you are relatively free. It depends on what you know as a way of life. Your definition of freedom doesn't much matter to those living in Iraq, as they have no western democracy in their history to compare it to. You can't go into a country such as Iraq, and make them *free*, as they don't think from your pov. In fact, trying to give someone else freedom can easily be counterproductive, as it takes away some of the structure and familiarity that they depend on for stability.
    1 Iraq had a parliamentary democracy until the 1950s, whereas Francisco Franco was killing people for not attending mass in the 1930s. 2 Islam mandates 'consultation' between rulers and ruled. This, while not endorsing democracy as we would understand it goes far further then any other mainstream religion. IMO we need to look far further to explain the disfunctionality in the region.

    Edit: and oh yes, i think public executions are bad.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It is a peaceful religion. The actual text speaks of peace like the bible. But unfortunatly any religion can be turend on its head to justify acts like these.
    We need to stop sugar coating this stuff...it happens WAY TO OFTEN to not be inbred in those societies...honor killings...killing your own children...its endless....and the more we say Oh its a peaceful religion...the worse it gets...it is NOT peaceful the majority of them are proven not peaceful and we need to acknowledge that for it to change....I have to admit I get pissed at people that make excuse after excuse for muslims and condemn anything christian or jewish....lets get this right please....can we for once identify which religion is our real enemy and stop kissin their arse

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    We need to stop sugar coating this stuff...it happens WAY TO OFTEN to not be inbred in those societies...honor killings...killing your own children...its endless.e
    Show me an example of this prior to the mujaheddin uprising. Afghanistan was once a net exporter of wine.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    and the more we say Oh its a peaceful religion...the worse it gets.
    Every time you say "Islam is a peaceful religion" a fairy gets honor killed.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    .it is NOT peaceful the majority of them are proven not peaceful and we need to acknowledge that for it to change....I have to admit I get pissed at people that make excuse after excuse for muslims and condemn anything christian or jewish....lets get this right please....can we for once identify which religion is our real enemy and stop kissin their ars
    Presumably if honor killings had majority support this would be reflected electorally. Why do you think so few people in Pakistan and Bangladesh vote for Jamat?
    Last edited by Red_Dave; 07-10-12 at 02:30 PM.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Ask your pacifist Islamist buddies if they support the one percent who will bring Islam to the world by subjugating the unbelievers. I think the majority will agree with the one-percent. They just don't want to get their hands dirty slitting throats and cutting off heads themselves. But they do support the goal. And they do support the violence. What is it called, Dhimmitude?
    I usually just ignore you, but you are aware, even if your assumption about a majority is correct (I personal feel you are wrong), that doesn't necessarily dictate that every Muslim you encounter is a closet jihadi?

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I usually just ignore you, but you are aware, even if your assumption about a majority is correct (I personal feel you are wrong), that doesn't necessarily dictate that every Muslim you encounter is a closet jihadi?
    Also bear in mind that Dhimmitude was a protected status exempting Christians and Jews from military conscription and the taxes that Muslims had to pay.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Show me an example of this prior to the mujaheddin uprising. Afghanistan was once a net exporter of wine.
    wasn't the instigation of the uprising in the 30's at the behest of the monarch trying to expand his power outside the urban centers, and challenge the control exerted by the local clerics?

    Presumably if honor killings had majority support this would be reflected electorally. Why do you think so few people in Pakistan and Bangladesh vote for Jamat?
    as pointed out in an earlier thread, why people choose who they do, in elections, tend to be a complicated process (as in, maybe they vote on economic concerns, despite their religious views). Also, while Bangladesh is some creeping issues, I believe it's considered one of the more islamic states (the same can't be said for Pakistan)

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    wasn't the instigation of the uprising in the 30's at the behest of the monarch trying to expand his power outside the urban centers, and challenge the control exerted by the local clerics?
    No it started when feudal landlords and allied fundamentalists tried to overthrow the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan with the help of the C.I.A

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