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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I disagree with that rather strongly on a variety of levels. First that more international terrorists are being produced. Second that Bin Laden ended up getting what he wanted (even if originally he thought it was). There are thirds, fourths, and fifths of course but I think this is enough for now.
    1.) Iraq an example. Iraq has never had a suicide bombing attack before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Iraq now has the record for most suicide bombings in a country. Hell for the month of June they averaged one a day.
    2.)These reports show that terrorism recruitment has skyrocketed and the invasions has became a breeding ground and a calling card for terrorist rectuiment.
    The Post-Madrid Face of Al Qaeda
    The Iraq Effect: War has increased terrorism sevenfold worldwide - STWR - Share The World's Resources
    Iraq 101: The Iraq Effect - The War in Iraq and Its Impact on the War on Terrorism - Pg. 1 | Mother Jones
    Occupation Made World Less Safe, Pro-War Institute Says

    3.)Bin Ladens goal was to create a quagmire in the middle east and for the US to invade Arab lands so he could exploit this as a tool for a call to "global jihad on the west", and to bankrupt the US via a war, this is all very well known


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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It is riven with difficulties, but certainly it is. Especially when compared to rule under Saddam.
    To call Iraq a "free state" is hysteical. Im not saying it was "free" under Saddam but to call it "free" now is a pathetic use of the word freedom.


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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    1.) Iraq an example. Iraq has never had a suicide bombing attack before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Iraq now has the record for most suicide bombings in a country. Hell for the month of June they averaged one a day.
    2.)These reports show that terrorism recruitment has skyrocketed and the invasions has became a breeding ground and a calling card for terrorist rectuiment.
    The Post-Madrid Face of Al Qaeda
    The Iraq Effect: War has increased terrorism sevenfold worldwide - STWR - Share The World's Resources
    Iraq 101: The Iraq Effect - The War in Iraq and Its Impact on the War on Terrorism - Pg. 1 | Mother Jones
    Occupation Made World Less Safe, Pro-War Institute Says

    3.)Bin Ladens goal was to create a quagmire in the middle east and for the US to invade Arab lands so he could exploit this as a tool for a call to "global jihad on the west", and to bankrupt the US via a war, this is all very well known
    Firstly of course there were difficulties and abject failures when it came to instituting and securing the new democracy in Iraq. But my contention is that the US has created new terrorists. There is a great deal of sociological and psychological evidence that has been assembled that indicates that those who resort to internationalist terrorism and suicide bombings come from a limited pool, and that one of the reasons we ended up successful after the Surge was because we had exhausted the supply of recruits to those organizations. Larry Schweikart has a good book on this, and I'll also provide a report to the LoC: http://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/pdf-files/..._Terrorism.pdf. Secondly the point is logical in that as we inflict greater casualties we reduce the recruitment pool. Thirdly with regard to the insurgent activity in Iraq this is decoupled from the terrorist point, as it deals with sectarian, irredentist, and other domestic political actors. We failed in our job to properly transition the Iraqi government in 2003, but that is a separate issue. As for Bin Laden we have done a fantastic job of crippling his organization and driving Islamist groups back on virtually all fronts, international Islamist terrorism has certainly been on the decline in terms of activities, existing networks, operatives, etc.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    To call Iraq a "free state" is hysteical. Im not saying it was "free" under Saddam but to call it "free" now is a pathetic use of the word freedom.
    It has many problems, but it is freer and it is on the path towards that. How the Tariq issue is handled will speak volumes about the future of Iraq.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I don't know enough about the deep details of Islam to comment, but I can say this. I have friends from Indonesia who are Muslim, and the last thing any of them would ever do is support violence against anyone for being Jewish or Christian or American or Israeli. They're as far from being terrorists as you can get. I suspect the hostility and violent tendencies may vary from one Islamic country to another.
    Ask your pacifist Islamist buddies if they support the one percent who will bring Islam to the world by subjugating the unbelievers. I think the majority will agree with the one-percent. They just don't want to get their hands dirty slitting throats and cutting off heads themselves. But they do support the goal. And they do support the violence. What is it called, Dhimmitude? Dhimmitude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Bat Ye'or defined dhimmitude as the condition and experience of those who are subject to dhimma, and thus not synonymous to, but rather a subset of the dhimma phenomenon: "dhimmitude [...] represents a behavior dictated by fear (terrorism), pacifism when aggressed, rather than resistance, servility because of cowardice and vulnerability. [...] By their peaceful surrender to the Islamic army, they obtained the security for their life, belongings and religion, but they had to accept a condition of inferiority, spoliation and humiliation. As they were forbidden to possess weapons and give testimony against a Muslim, they were put in a position of vulnerability and humility."[10] The term plays a key role in the Islamophobic[11] conspiracy theory of Eurabia.[12]
    In his book, The Third Choice: Islam, Dhimmitude, and Freedom, scholar of religion Mark Durie contends that instead of a "hardening of resolve", Western attitudes in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks consisted of "widespread capitulation to Muslim demands" to the detriment of public policy, human rights, and free speech. Among other things, Durie cites various statements praising Islam by politicians such as Barack Obama, Nicolas Sarkozy and Mary Robinson; statements by Western politicians in support of Sharia law; and other statements of "humility" by Christian leaders as evidence of "dhimmitude".[13]
    A more recent pejorative usage variant of "dhimmi" and "dhimmitude" divorces the words from the historical context and applies them to situations where non-Muslims in the West and India are championing Islamic causes above others. "Dhimmi" is treated as analogous to "Quisling" within this context.[citation needed]

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do realize while we are at war right now terrorist recruitment has gone up, more and more terrorists are being produced, more and more innocents are dying from terrorism, and that by invading Afghanistan we pretty much did what Bin Laden wanted us to do?
    Does it matter? There are more pirates in Somalia too. Are you proposing capitulation instead of resolve?
    Do you prefer murder over justice and freedom?

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This reveals a great deal more about you than it does about me.
    First, you do not recognize freedom when you see it.
    Second, unless it matches your template you are unable to see beginnings.
    Third, it highlights your biases.
    Fourth, it highlights your ignorance.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    I'm sorry but I thought ALL LIBERALS are immature, dogmatic leftists that supports Islamism and hates all jews and christians.
    Perhaps you have only encountered those who play the same silly little partisan game as you?
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Their culture is highly based on their religion. Once they reach the point collectively that they can internalize their religion, rather than relying on it to dictate to them how they are to perform every aspect of their daily living actions, they will have made a significant step in progress.
    Yes and no. A lot of what people interpret as Islam is in fact a cultural norm that was integrated into their belief system. They need to be brought into the 21st century. I don't see that happening for many places any time soon.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    To call Iraq a "free state" is hysteical. Im not saying it was "free" under Saddam but to call it "free" now is a pathetic use of the word freedom.
    You have to take into account their culture and religion, relative to what freedom is. If you've been living under a dictatorship for decades, and your religion dictates that authoritarianism is normal, and to be expected, then the slightest movement to the left of what you know, is freedom. If you've been in prison for years, then get parolled, and moved to a halfway house, then you are relatively free. It depends on what you know as a way of life. Your definition of freedom doesn't much matter to those living in Iraq, as they have no western democracy in their history to compare it to. You can't go into a country such as Iraq, and make them *free*, as they don't think from your pov. In fact, trying to give someone else freedom can easily be counterproductive, as it takes away some of the structure and familiarity that they depend on for stability.
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