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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In one word: fear.
    you're kinda missing my point

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They do have a western lifestyle on the surface, and with regards to many social activities, but they are still pretty rigorous with regard to personal relationships and dress. It doesn't bother me, as I have several Muslim friends and professional associates, but there is no doubt a cultural barrier present, and certain things that are never discussed or shared.
    sounds like most christian families I know, to be honest. But clearly there is going to be a difference between both simply based on one group being immigrants. Doesn't mean they haven't shed the worst of their societies baggage

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you're kinda missing my point
    Sure, but I think the point is that even if various interpretations are possible, the nature of Islam (again as in Judaism) makes the abolition/re-interpretation of its all encompassing role very difficult. For Judaism it took two thousand years of exile, diaspora, and forced assimilation in conjunction with an emerging enlightenment culture, not to mention the fact that authority to carry out punishments was divested from them. For Islam it will be much slower and more difficult, and that is troublesome.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Sure, but I think the point is that even if various interpretations are possible, the nature of Islam (again as in Judaism) makes the abolition/re-interpretation of its all encompassing role very difficult. For Judaism it took two thousand years of exile, diaspora, and forced assimilation in conjunction with an emerging enlightenment culture, not to mention the fact that authority to carry out punishments was divested from them. For Islam it will be much slower and more difficult, and that is troublesome.

    pointing out it can change isn't the same as saying it will, or that such is even likely to happen on some grand scale

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you're kinda missing my point
    No, I'm not missing the point. The answer is fear. Fear is what keeps many of them stifled and controlled.
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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

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    sounds like most christian families I know, to be honest. But clearly there is going to be a difference between both simply based on one group being immigrants. Doesn't mean they haven't shed the worst of their societies baggage
    May be true between ordinary members of various religions, but the Taliban is apart from all of that. They don't want little girls to learn to read; those who fear them buried their radios for years. These are primitive cave-dwellers. Not saying they aren't smart; just saying that their society is primitive and regards women as, to be generous, "second-class citizens." Expendable and usually to blame.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    May be true between ordinary members of various religions, but the Taliban is apart from all of that.
    you don't say?

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    You are right .. they do object to the term.. I have just enjoyed that part of the world.. and maybe I just got used to them.. Most certainly I was always safe and treated with respect.

    So its like when in Capri..............

    You know.. Live and let live.

    You brought Capri in? the isle of Capri?

    Capri an Taliban............... we can not get two words more different from each other, can we huh?

    Nobody is going to shoot me in Capri if I wear a bikini or if I'm drinking a champagne cocktail.... yeah, live and let live ..... and better to live in Capri.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Oh I am NO expert on Afghanistan.. All Islam is fundamental.. see Five Pillars of Islam.. The meaning is different from Christian or Western notions of "fundamentalism"...

    Islam is not... ummm.. monolithic.. and many fundamentalists are also moderate.

    You hear alot about Wahhabis, but Wahhabi is NOT a sect.. its like calling someone a Calvinist or a Unitarian.. They choose to simplify.. It was reaction against the innovations introduced during the Ottoman Empire.

    Most "Wahhabis" are not stupid guys with scraggly beards and dirty thobes who routinely oppress women.

    It has taken me most of a lifetime to come to these conclusions.. ( I am Christian) and I am just not good at explaining. The last conversation I had with a young Saudi.. a couple of hours.. was about the Muslim view of Jesus and human rights. Fascinating to me.

    And when we wrapped it up.. He said, "Remember.. you cannot talk to one Muslim and know Islam."

    This is what I am talking about: fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.

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    Re: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, I'm not missing the point. The answer is fear. Fear is what keeps many of them stifled and controlled.
    In your original post you mentioned something about "true Islam". The point I have been trying to raise is that what you view as "true Islam" is likely transitory, and that it often changes on the personal and societal level.

    That isn't to say such a change is likely in islam, or that there isn't any overarching issues within Islamic society. Believe me, I agree there are major issues there

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