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California Senate vote keeps bullet train alive(edited)

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When one couples California's massive and unmanageable debt, a new "TRUST Act" proposal, their existing "sanctuary cities", the over 10 billion dollar annual burden illegals present to taxpayer funded infrastructure

with this unfundable, boondoggle from hell bullet train...

it becomes fairly clear that the next steps progressive leftists will undertake
will either be a Berlin Wall approach to keep the productive, revenue generating class in...

which would be too obvious...

or... the more likely scenario.... appeals to Big Papa for "emergency and necessary" Greece style bailouts...
which would *purposely* infringe on California's sovereignty by making them fully beholding to the economic dictates of central authority....

and *purposely* set presedent for increased federal authority to centrally plan and manage all individual state economies....

and ultimately result in removing from the producer class...
any avenue for escape.


Bloodless Revolution 101
 
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Well unlike throwing as much money as we can to the banks and wallstreet which helped cause the mess we're in, at least this plan nets something positive for the community. I think the US could really use a good, national HSR system. Maybe I wouldn't have to live in New Jersey then....stupid jersey.
 
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Phys251 said:
Spreading them out would just make a bad situation worse. You are familiar with sprawl, right?
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A city of LA's size could be 8 or 10 cites in different parts of the state or country. It wouldn't have the massive traffic jams,the smog, and obscene prices for property.
 
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for the same amount as it costs to place 4,600 soldiers in afghanistan for a year, california winds up with a high speed rail project that will stimulate its economy, put people back to work and improve transportation between san francisco and los angeles

gives a sense of perspective about what we could have done if we had not ramped up the military forces by 100,000 for many years, or better yet, not spent our treasure in iraq and afghanistan for nothing
 
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PeteEU said:
So you are against the federal highways system, plus the US military, Coast Gaurd, and so on and so on.. all those cost far more to construct, maintain and operate.. they in fact being in very very little..
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Those things are necessities.We don't have a military another country will take over. We don't have a highway system then its a lot hard for goods to travel between states and cities.


A high speed rail system that costs 8 billion dollars when a state is around 20 billion in debt and has rolling black outs is a waste of money.That high-speed rail system is not going to stop at every business and home so that people can get from work to home or home to do shopping. This will do nothing for the mass traffic jams on LA's roads and highways.
 
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jamesrage said:
California is billions of dollars in debt and they want to build a segment that costs 8 billion. Do these clowns in California realize that they are in debt?
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No, and it's sad. California is stupid, just plain ****ing stupid. Plus, they already have BART, the Caltrain, lightrail trains, and bus systems out the ass. It's a stupid cost. It really is.
 
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jamesrage said:
Those things are necessities.We don't have a military another country will take over. We don't have a highway system then its a lot hard for goods to travel between states and cities.


A high speed rail system that costs 8 billion dollars when a state is around 20 billion in debt and has rolling black outs is a waste of money.That high-speed rail system is not going to stop at every business and home so that people can get from work to home or home to do shopping. This will do nothing for the mass traffic jams on LA's roads and highways.
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what you are saying is what many naysayers said back in the 50's when Ike was promoting the interstate highway system
they insisted we already had adequate roads. no need to spend the money and by-pass the commercial districts in all the towns
Ike was able to get the legislation passed by pointing out the usefulness of the interstate system to move our military across the continent in times of war

and now, today, you have come to think if the interstate system as a necessary part of our nation's infrastructure
just as our kids will come to think of high speed rail
 
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California spent hundreds of millions to build Veteran Homes...theyve been built and never opened because they do not have the money to pay the employees and bear the costs...and they want to spend BILLIONS on a high speed rail....its ridiculous to even attempt such a project right now.
 
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jamesrage said:
A city of LA's size could be 8 or 10 cites in different parts of the state or country. It wouldn't have the massive traffic jams,the smog, and obscene prices for property.
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You do realize that spreading people out makes traffic problems worse, not better, right? Besides, do you think for one minute that the second most populous metro area in the nation would be willing to give up all the benefits of having so many people?
 
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Lokiate said:
No, and it's sad. California is stupid, just plain ****ing stupid. Plus, they already have BART, the Caltrain, lightrail trains, and bus systems out the ass. It's a stupid cost. It really is.
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california does have quite a bit of public transit already.i think its bs to argue on building a bullet train no one will use(california has amtrak and most the time you can travel along the state by yourself because NO ONE USES IT)but yet the state has among the worst roads in the country,decades ago it had the absolute best.in texas its not uncommon to see a new highway or road built around a major city to relieve congestion.

california can easily put that 8 billion to use building new roads to relieve the extreme la congestion.the fact that most of the south has better roads than cali,says they got their priorities mixed up.
 
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beerftw said:
california does have quite a bit of public transit already.i think its bs to argue on building a bullet train no one will use(california has amtrak and most the time you can travel along the state by yourself because NO ONE USES IT)but yet the state has among the worst roads in the country,decades ago it had the absolute best.in texas its not uncommon to see a new highway or road built around a major city to relieve congestion.

california can easily put that 8 billion to use building new roads to relieve the extreme la congestion.the fact that most of the south has better roads than cali,says they got their priorities mixed up.
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but then they would not have the $8 billion to spend
 
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beerftw said:
california does have quite a bit of public transit already.i think its bs to argue on building a bullet train no one will use(california has amtrak and most the time you can travel along the state by yourself because NO ONE USES IT)but yet the state has among the worst roads in the country,decades ago it had the absolute best.in texas its not uncommon to see a new highway or road built around a major city to relieve congestion.

california can easily put that 8 billion to use building new roads to relieve the extreme la congestion.the fact that most of the south has better roads than cali,says they got their priorities mixed up.
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I agree. Driving in San Jose is the worst, the roads have seemingly never been updated to meet the demands of the rising population. They just insist that riding the lightrail is the "green" way to go. When I was living there, Morgan Hill was still in its developmental stages as a town. Had decent places to go, but the population was low enough to where driving was easy. Now it's overly congested, only the Cal-Train runs through it (nobody uses that stupid thing, btw) and only the 68 bus from Monterey runs through it. Logic need not apply to any of California's pet projects. Only thing good about it is the weather, and the countryside once you leave the city. The people there are ****ing crazy, so it's no wonder to me why nothing in California makes any godamned sense at all.
 
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America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
 
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Phys251 said:
America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
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Because America is an auto nation. Most others aren't. Most are too small for air travel to be the primary form of long distant travel or the populace is too poor to utilize air travel. If the US was merely the size of Texas, then sure, passenger rail would be ideal.
 
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Phys251 said:
America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
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I think many of you people fail to realize that its 8 billion dollars for one segment of a passenger rail service when a state is billions of dollars in debt and this passenger rail service will still not alleviate any of the traffic congestion in any of those cities that will be connected.
 
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Fishstyx said:
Because America is an auto nation. Most others aren't. Most are too small for air travel to be the primary form of long distant travel or the populace is too poor to utilize air travel. If the US was merely the size of Texas, then sure, passenger rail would be ideal.
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jamesrage said:
I think many of you people fail to realize that its 8 billion dollars for one segment of a passenger rail service when a state is billions of dollars in debt and this passenger rail service will still not alleviate any of the traffic congestion in any of those cities that will be connected.
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Both of you guys get back to me when gas is 7 bucks a gallon.
 
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Phys251 said:
You do realize that spreading people out makes traffic problems worse, not better, right?
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My city has about has about 400,000 people in it and our traffic jams are nowhere near as bad as LA. So yes spreading people out does make traffic problems better.


Besides, do you think for one minute that the second most populous metro area in the nation would be willing to give up all the benefits of having so many people?
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What benefits are there to having almost 4 million people crammed into 500 square miles?
 
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justabubba said:
what you are saying is what many naysayers said back in the 50's when Ike was promoting the interstate highway system
they insisted we already had adequate roads. no need to spend the money and by-pass the commercial districts in all the towns
Ike was able to get the legislation passed by pointing out the usefulness of the interstate system to move our military across the continent in times of war

and now, today, you have come to think if the interstate system as a necessary part of our nation's infrastructure
just as our kids will come to think of high speed rail
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America was a very different country in the 1950s and 1960s. The American people were very different than they are today.

What was possible in one era often becomes impossible in subsequent eras.
 
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Phys251 said:
Both of you guys get back to me when gas is 7 bucks a gallon.
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My city is almost 200 Square miles.What good would a high speed rail service do for my city? It might be good for connecting connecting cities that are far apart but a high-speed rail service for in city use looks like it would amount to using a sledge hammer to kill a fly.
 
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Phys251 said:
America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
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In this instance, it's because California has enough passenger rail systems. Rail systems that are poorly developed, managed, or maintained. California does not do rail correctly, resulting in huge money pits that put more hurt on the taxpayers, and resolve nothing. It's better just to ride the damn bus.
 
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wow, California is really hell bent on destroying their economy. They're cereal. They're super cereal.
 
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Phys251 said:
America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
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Probably because it's expensive and people don't like being mugged.
 
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Just wondering if anyone posting in this thread has actually looked at the newest projections of cost to complete this project, number of riders, cost that must be charged to make this viable and time to complete before writing all of these inane posts?
 
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I've read deeply conflicted reports on the cost efficacy of American high-speed rail lines, and it seems to be wildly different (perhaps logically so) depending on the geographic region. For example predicted costs for a pan southern (Texas to Florida) route are cheaper than going through the Chicago to Philadelphia/New York route. For this line does anyone have a good, unbiased, link or resource that they could put out? I'm sympathetic to high-speed rail but I think people can be too prone to rushing into it without accounting for demand and costs over extended periods of time. As well as whether or not now is the time to commit states to significant capital investments on projects like this.
 
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