Page 9 of 19 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 188

Thread: California Senate vote keeps bullet train alive(edited)

  1. #81
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Passenger rail travel has never broke even except for commuter lines. All countries with modern passenger service subsidize like we do with the airlines here. The cost savings are in infrastructure, mostly highways which are much more costly to build and maintain per passenger mile. Of course you will say that Japan, Great Britain , France, China, Australia etc etc. are all being wasteful for not spending their money on private airports for billionaires private jets like we do instead of building a modern passenger rail system. You will be wrong of course. We dropped the ball on rail just like so many other technologies that now are developed elsewhere.
    So it's a good idea, for a place that has serious revenue and debt issues, to build a train system that will add to those revenue and debt issues, because Japan and some other countries did it?
    Is that really your thought process?
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  2. #82
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    8,363

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Passenger rail travel has never broke even except for commuter lines. All countries with modern passenger service subsidize like we do with the airlines here. The cost savings are in infrastructure, mostly highways which are much more costly to build and maintain per passenger mile. Of course you will say that Japan, Great Britain , France, China, Australia etc etc. are all being wasteful for not spending their money on private airports for billionaires private jets like we do instead of building a modern passenger rail system. You will be wrong of course. We dropped the ball on rail just like so many other technologies that now are developed elsewhere.
    OK, then do not avoid the question but use is as part of a response.

  3. #83
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    I would just like to say that I think a bullet train for Cali is a great idea. It will create employment and, in the fullness of time, generate considerably more revenue than any Cali freeway ever has.

    I have a dream: I would like to see a maglev rail line run from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, and another maglev line run from Chicago to Las Vegas.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  4. #84
    Professor

    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    10-28-16 @ 07:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,526

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Both of you guys get back to me when gas is 7 bucks a gallon.
    Meh, could live with that. My commute is 1 mile to the train station, traditional rail. I use mass transit everyday to go work. The argument for HSR as a tool for commuters is just silly. Are you expecting someone to commute daily from San Fran to LA? HSR doesn't make sense as a commuter tool as to make it viable and attractive to users, you need frequent stops. My train makes a stop every 5-10 minutes. For those short distances, HSR would just be stupid as it could never get anywhere near top speed.

    So, HSR only makes sense as an alternative to air travel. Also, kind of strange considering California's latest initiatives to stop sprawl.

  5. #85
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,078

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    The problem is not the traffic within the city but between other cities. The thing is, LA is a VERY spread out metroplex with freeways everywhere, yet they still all clog. Contrast that with New York City, which really doesn't have any worse traffic, and there are multiple options for getting from Point A to Point B..
    Are all these people on the LA highway going from one city to another?If not then that high speed rail will not really do them any good.

    If America was to restart the 20th century and cap all its metro areas at half a million people, then rural interstates would become horribly clogged. You'd just shift the problem, if not outright exacerbate it. The longer commutes take, the worse.
    No they wouldn't. Spreading people out means rush hour traffic is not a standstill. Constantly stopping, idling for a while and moving take a lot more time and gas than just driving 40-66 miles an hour on the highway.


    Cultural events. Pro sports teams. More opportunities for big business. Nonstop cross-country and international flights. And--this is the big one--not having to drive several hours to get all that.
    You don't need a city of 4 million to have those things.My city of nearly 400,000 has a pro-sports team,so does my state capital which is a city of almost 600,000 My city also has a international airport,so does my state capital.Those cities also have international airports and big business.



    You talking about within the city or to other cities? Within it, I don't think a metro area of 400k is enough to justify rail transit. But city-to-city entirely depends on what's around there. A place like Syracuse would be great, because it could be right on a Boston-Albany-Buffalo-Cleveland line. Colorado Springs, by contrast, has only one big city anywhere near it
    The metro area population is over 900,000.Its the city that has the population of nearly 400,000. Again high speed rail would do nothing for the people who work in the cites they live in. So it wouldn't matter if gas was 2.50 or 7.50.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  6. #86
    Death2Globalists Matt Foley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    ExecuteTheTraitors
    Last Seen
    11-24-12 @ 12:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,574

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    I would just like to say that I think a bullet train for Cali is a great idea. It will create employment and, in the fullness of time, generate considerably more revenue than any Cali freeway ever has.

    I have a dream: I would like to see a maglev rail line run from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, and another maglev line run from Chicago to Las Vegas.
    Giving money to bums would be a bigger economic boost than wasting money on a railroad to Las Vegas, so people can give gamble all their money away.
    Globalist = Free Trade, Open Borders, Multiculturalist, Anti-White Racist, Hypocrite, Sophist, Deceiver, Manipulator, Warmonger, Vulgar Culture, Morally Depraved......Enemy

    Death to Globalists

  7. #87
    Sage
    clownboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    08-17-16 @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    26,087

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    If they took the same money and fixed their crumbling electrical infrastructure, perhaps they would stop hemorrhaging tech business. I doubt it though, they have so much they need to change to get back in the black. Don't hold out much hope. More federal bailouts in California's future.

  8. #88
    Professor
    Sig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    11-29-13 @ 11:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,179

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Giving money to bums would be a bigger economic boost than wasting money on a railroad to Las Vegas, so people can give gamble all their money away.
    The line would not have to necessarily terminate in Las Vegas. Indeed, it could eventually be a source of hi-speed transit for the whole of North America, and be fueled by nuclear power to keep costs down. Such a project could potentially create jobs in the millions.
    It's like you're dreaming of Gorgonzola when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

  9. #89
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,148

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Right. I'm going to go way out on a limb here and say that this will work even less well than Amtrak.

  10. #90
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Undisclosed
    Last Seen
    03-18-13 @ 02:59 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,544

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    I know where California can get all of the money it needs to build the bullet train. CalPERS and STIRS are loaded with cash.

Page 9 of 19 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •