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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    wow, California is really hell bent on destroying their economy. They're cereal. They're super cereal.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Both of you guys get back to me when gas is 7 bucks a gallon.
    Gas goes up, so does the railroad construction cost go up in direct proportion: no gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
    Probably because it's expensive and people don't like being mugged.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Just wondering if anyone posting in this thread has actually looked at the newest projections of cost to complete this project, number of riders, cost that must be charged to make this viable and time to complete before writing all of these inane posts?

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    I've read deeply conflicted reports on the cost efficacy of American high-speed rail lines, and it seems to be wildly different (perhaps logically so) depending on the geographic region. For example predicted costs for a pan southern (Texas to Florida) route are cheaper than going through the Chicago to Philadelphia/New York route. For this line does anyone have a good, unbiased, link or resource that they could put out? I'm sympathetic to high-speed rail but I think people can be too prone to rushing into it without accounting for demand and costs over extended periods of time. As well as whether or not now is the time to commit states to significant capital investments on projects like this.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
    When was the last time you rode Amtrack cross country? Know how much tickets run, what the schedule is, and how much money it loses every year?

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Both of you guys get back to me when gas is 7 bucks a gallon.
    You get that Light Rail is NOT FOR basic commuter traffic, right?

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Just wondering if anyone posting in this thread has actually looked at the newest projections of cost to complete this project, number of riders, cost that must be charged to make this viable and time to complete before writing all of these inane posts?
    Passenger rail travel has never broke even except for commuter lines. All countries with modern passenger service subsidize like we do with the airlines here. The cost savings are in infrastructure, mostly highways which are much more costly to build and maintain per passenger mile. Of course you will say that Japan, Great Britain , France, China, Australia etc etc. are all being wasteful for not spending their money on private airports for billionaires private jets like we do instead of building a modern passenger rail system. You will be wrong of course. We dropped the ball on rail just like so many other technologies that now are developed elsewhere.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You get that Light Rail is NOT FOR basic commuter traffic, right?
    Exactly. In San Jose especially, all it does is take you to a more convenient spot to reach a bus that's actually taking you where you need to go, unless you're going to a the mall. It's a system that wasn't thought out well at all. Cal Train is even worse. The number of people who actually ride the thing can't possibly be enough to cover the costs of maintaining it. Same with BART. Every time I went on that ****ing thing, there were maybe a handful of people at any given time. It's not that people refuse to ride the trains, it's simply because car and bus gets people where they need to go better than rail does. Hell, for long distance travel across the states, people who can't afford air travel take the Greyhound, simply because stations can be found nearly anywhere, and they go everywhere. The train just isn't versatile enough.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My city has about has about 400,000 people in it and our traffic jams are nowhere near as bad as LA. So yes spreading people out does make traffic problems better.
    The problem is not the traffic within the city but between other cities. The thing is, LA is a VERY spread out metroplex with freeways everywhere, yet they still all clog. Contrast that with New York City, which really doesn't have any worse traffic, and there are multiple options for getting from Point A to Point B.

    If America was to restart the 20th century and cap all its metro areas at half a million people, then rural interstates would become horribly clogged. You'd just shift the problem, if not outright exacerbate it. The longer commutes take, the worse.

    What benefits are there to having almost 4 million people crammed into 500 square miles?
    Cultural events. Pro sports teams. More opportunities for big business. Nonstop cross-country and international flights. And--this is the big one--not having to drive several hours to get all that.

    Yes those are the positives, and there are a lot of downsides as well. Some people believe that the pros outweigh the cons, others don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My city is almost 200 Square miles.What good would a high speed rail service do for my city? It might be good for connecting connecting cities that are far apart but a high-speed rail service for in city use looks like it would amount to using a sledge hammer to kill a fly.
    You talking about within the city or to other cities? Within it, I don't think a metro area of 400k is enough to justify rail transit. But city-to-city entirely depends on what's around there. A place like Syracuse would be great, because it could be right on a Boston-Albany-Buffalo-Cleveland line. Colorado Springs, by contrast, has only one big city anywhere near it.
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