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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    california does have quite a bit of public transit already.i think its bs to argue on building a bullet train no one will use(california has amtrak and most the time you can travel along the state by yourself because NO ONE USES IT)but yet the state has among the worst roads in the country,decades ago it had the absolute best.in texas its not uncommon to see a new highway or road built around a major city to relieve congestion.

    california can easily put that 8 billion to use building new roads to relieve the extreme la congestion.the fact that most of the south has better roads than cali,says they got their priorities mixed up.
    but then they would not have the $8 billion to spend
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    california does have quite a bit of public transit already.i think its bs to argue on building a bullet train no one will use(california has amtrak and most the time you can travel along the state by yourself because NO ONE USES IT)but yet the state has among the worst roads in the country,decades ago it had the absolute best.in texas its not uncommon to see a new highway or road built around a major city to relieve congestion.

    california can easily put that 8 billion to use building new roads to relieve the extreme la congestion.the fact that most of the south has better roads than cali,says they got their priorities mixed up.
    I agree. Driving in San Jose is the worst, the roads have seemingly never been updated to meet the demands of the rising population. They just insist that riding the lightrail is the "green" way to go. When I was living there, Morgan Hill was still in its developmental stages as a town. Had decent places to go, but the population was low enough to where driving was easy. Now it's overly congested, only the Cal-Train runs through it (nobody uses that stupid thing, btw) and only the 68 bus from Monterey runs through it. Logic need not apply to any of California's pet projects. Only thing good about it is the weather, and the countryside once you leave the city. The people there are ****ing crazy, so it's no wonder to me why nothing in California makes any godamned sense at all.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
    Because America is an auto nation. Most others aren't. Most are too small for air travel to be the primary form of long distant travel or the populace is too poor to utilize air travel. If the US was merely the size of Texas, then sure, passenger rail would be ideal.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

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    America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
    I think many of you people fail to realize that its 8 billion dollars for one segment of a passenger rail service when a state is billions of dollars in debt and this passenger rail service will still not alleviate any of the traffic congestion in any of those cities that will be connected.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Because America is an auto nation. Most others aren't. Most are too small for air travel to be the primary form of long distant travel or the populace is too poor to utilize air travel. If the US was merely the size of Texas, then sure, passenger rail would be ideal.
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    I think many of you people fail to realize that its 8 billion dollars for one segment of a passenger rail service when a state is billions of dollars in debt and this passenger rail service will still not alleviate any of the traffic congestion in any of those cities that will be connected.
    Both of you guys get back to me when gas is 7 bucks a gallon.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You do realize that spreading people out makes traffic problems worse, not better, right?
    My city has about has about 400,000 people in it and our traffic jams are nowhere near as bad as LA. So yes spreading people out does make traffic problems better.


    Besides, do you think for one minute that the second most populous metro area in the nation would be willing to give up all the benefits of having so many people?
    What benefits are there to having almost 4 million people crammed into 500 square miles?
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what you are saying is what many naysayers said back in the 50's when Ike was promoting the interstate highway system
    they insisted we already had adequate roads. no need to spend the money and by-pass the commercial districts in all the towns
    Ike was able to get the legislation passed by pointing out the usefulness of the interstate system to move our military across the continent in times of war

    and now, today, you have come to think if the interstate system as a necessary part of our nation's infrastructure
    just as our kids will come to think of high speed rail
    America was a very different country in the 1950s and 1960s. The American people were very different than they are today.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Both of you guys get back to me when gas is 7 bucks a gallon.
    My city is almost 200 Square miles.What good would a high speed rail service do for my city? It might be good for connecting connecting cities that are far apart but a high-speed rail service for in city use looks like it would amount to using a sledge hammer to kill a fly.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    America is the only nation I know of that has such a loud faction of people who RESIST the development of passenger rail.
    In this instance, it's because California has enough passenger rail systems. Rail systems that are poorly developed, managed, or maintained. California does not do rail correctly, resulting in huge money pits that put more hurt on the taxpayers, and resolve nothing. It's better just to ride the damn bus.
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