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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    When one couples California's massive and unmanageable debt, a new "TRUST Act" proposal, their existing "sanctuary cities", the over 10 billion dollar annual burden illegals present to taxpayer funded infrastructure

    with this unfundable, boondoggle from hell bullet train...

    it becomes fairly clear that the next steps progressive leftists will undertake
    will either be a Berlin Wall approach to keep the productive, revenue generating class in...

    which would be too obvious...

    or... the more likely scenario.... appeals to Big Papa for "emergency and necessary" Greece style bailouts...
    which would *purposely* infringe on California's sovereignty by making them fully beholding to the economic dictates of central authority....

    and *purposely* set presedent for increased federal authority to centrally plan and manage all individual state economies....

    and ultimately result in removing from the producer class...
    any avenue for escape.


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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Well unlike throwing as much money as we can to the banks and wallstreet which helped cause the mess we're in, at least this plan nets something positive for the community. I think the US could really use a good, national HSR system. Maybe I wouldn't have to live in New Jersey then....stupid jersey.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Spreading them out would just make a bad situation worse. You are familiar with sprawl, right?
    A city of LA's size could be 8 or 10 cites in different parts of the state or country. It wouldn't have the massive traffic jams,the smog, and obscene prices for property.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    for the same amount as it costs to place 4,600 soldiers in afghanistan for a year, california winds up with a high speed rail project that will stimulate its economy, put people back to work and improve transportation between san francisco and los angeles

    gives a sense of perspective about what we could have done if we had not ramped up the military forces by 100,000 for many years, or better yet, not spent our treasure in iraq and afghanistan for nothing
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are against the federal highways system, plus the US military, Coast Gaurd, and so on and so on.. all those cost far more to construct, maintain and operate.. they in fact being in very very little..
    Those things are necessities.We don't have a military another country will take over. We don't have a highway system then its a lot hard for goods to travel between states and cities.


    A high speed rail system that costs 8 billion dollars when a state is around 20 billion in debt and has rolling black outs is a waste of money.That high-speed rail system is not going to stop at every business and home so that people can get from work to home or home to do shopping. This will do nothing for the mass traffic jams on LA's roads and highways.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    California is billions of dollars in debt and they want to build a segment that costs 8 billion. Do these clowns in California realize that they are in debt?
    No, and it's sad. California is stupid, just plain ****ing stupid. Plus, they already have BART, the Caltrain, lightrail trains, and bus systems out the ass. It's a stupid cost. It really is.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Those things are necessities.We don't have a military another country will take over. We don't have a highway system then its a lot hard for goods to travel between states and cities.


    A high speed rail system that costs 8 billion dollars when a state is around 20 billion in debt and has rolling black outs is a waste of money.That high-speed rail system is not going to stop at every business and home so that people can get from work to home or home to do shopping. This will do nothing for the mass traffic jams on LA's roads and highways.
    what you are saying is what many naysayers said back in the 50's when Ike was promoting the interstate highway system
    they insisted we already had adequate roads. no need to spend the money and by-pass the commercial districts in all the towns
    Ike was able to get the legislation passed by pointing out the usefulness of the interstate system to move our military across the continent in times of war

    and now, today, you have come to think if the interstate system as a necessary part of our nation's infrastructure
    just as our kids will come to think of high speed rail
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    California spent hundreds of millions to build Veteran Homes...theyve been built and never opened because they do not have the money to pay the employees and bear the costs...and they want to spend BILLIONS on a high speed rail....its ridiculous to even attempt such a project right now.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A city of LA's size could be 8 or 10 cites in different parts of the state or country. It wouldn't have the massive traffic jams,the smog, and obscene prices for property.
    You do realize that spreading people out makes traffic problems worse, not better, right? Besides, do you think for one minute that the second most populous metro area in the nation would be willing to give up all the benefits of having so many people?
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    No, and it's sad. California is stupid, just plain ****ing stupid. Plus, they already have BART, the Caltrain, lightrail trains, and bus systems out the ass. It's a stupid cost. It really is.
    california does have quite a bit of public transit already.i think its bs to argue on building a bullet train no one will use(california has amtrak and most the time you can travel along the state by yourself because NO ONE USES IT)but yet the state has among the worst roads in the country,decades ago it had the absolute best.in texas its not uncommon to see a new highway or road built around a major city to relieve congestion.

    california can easily put that 8 billion to use building new roads to relieve the extreme la congestion.the fact that most of the south has better roads than cali,says they got their priorities mixed up.
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