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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What is wrong is living and working in a densely populated city.
    Spreading them out would just make a bad situation worse. You are familiar with sprawl, right?
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Does any one know how the financing of the California Bullet Train is going to work?

    The part of the Bullet Train that Jerry Brown and Barack Obama have money for will be built between Bakersfield and Fresno. How smart is that? Do you want to know why this segment is being built now? The environmental litigation is less vicious far from the coast. The problem is that most people live along the coast in Southern California and the Bay Area.

    No one has any idea how the other segments of the Bullet Train will be financed. How smart is that? Hope and blind faith aren't much of a substitute for consensus based policy.

    School funding is being cut. But Jerry Brown and Barack Obama want to waste money on a boondoggle.

    California isn't like the rest of the country. California is unique in this country. And the magnitude of our financial hole is equally unique.
    From Chowchilla, to be exact, which is a few miles north of Fresno. I'm trying to imagine just who is going to ride this first section of train. I've lived about 90 miles from Bakersfield for years. The only time I've gone there, I've been on my way across the Grapevine to Southern California. Even if I did have business in Bakersfield I just can't see myself driving to Fresno, or to Chowchilla, paying to park, getting on a train, riding to Bakersfield, then either renting a car or taking a bus to wherever I would be going. It just doesn't make sense. It would be quicker and cheaper to drive.

    Now, if I could get on a high speed train locally and go to San Francisco's BART, or perhaps to the San Francisco Airport, that would be another matter.

    Fresno's Airport sucks, in case anyone is interested.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Horribly wrong timing for any kind of project this big and this costly...

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Again, HSR wouldn't be necessary. Traditional would be more than adequate and much cheaper. Its doesn't even make sense as for any decent distance, you'd require multiple stops to even come close to breaking even (still likely would swim in red ink).
    traditional is simply too slow to draw enough passengers. HSR is designed to be faster than driving even with stops. that's the difference.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Horribly wrong timing for any kind of project this big and this costly...
    Right, Who wants jobs for American workers now. We have to cut back on that. Unless it's going to make a few companies rich at our expense like the XL pipeline of course.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right, Who wants jobs for American workers now. We have to cut back on that. Unless it's going to make a few companies rich at our expense like the XL pipeline of course.
    You just don't understand.
    The first segment of this HSR line, will be nearly completely useless to the vast majority of people, that may have used it.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this is when i know i have defeated someone in a debate. when they pretend to tell me what i know despite that i have said something which is contrary to their own - and in this instance, unsupported - opinion
    congrats, you win. I can't waste any more time with your level of discussion.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    traditional is simply too slow to draw enough passengers. HSR is designed to be faster than driving even with stops. that's the difference.
    You'd still have to limit stops to make it time efficient. Distance is a factor in getting one of these up to speed and stopping. Not to mention traveling through developed areas with crossings and what not. You won't attract riders either if they have to travel to the stations.

    Again, a gridlock photo doesn't prove that HSR is the right nor most cost effective solution. In fact, far from it.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    You'd still have to limit stops to make it time efficient. Distance is a factor in getting one of these up to speed and stopping. Not to mention traveling through developed areas with crossings and what not. You won't attract riders either if they have to travel to the stations.

    Again, a gridlock photo doesn't prove that HSR is the right nor most cost effective solution. In fact, far from it.
    so how do we best deal with the problem? the supply of lanes pretty much everywhere isn't keeping up with traffic. most of us (including me) commute solo. some of us live far from job centers and can't afford to move, so we have to drive because there's no other choice. the whole country is spread out, and cars and planes are the only game in town.

    HSR seems to work fairly well in other countries, but i can accept that there might be a better America-specific solution. what is it?

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    so how do we best deal with the problem? the supply of lanes pretty much everywhere isn't keeping up with traffic. most of us (including me) commute solo. some of us live far from job centers and can't afford to move, so we have to drive because there's no other choice. the whole country is spread out, and cars and planes are the only game in town.

    HSR seems to work fairly well in other countries, but i can accept that there might be a better America-specific solution. what is it?
    We might want to improve the railroad beds we have so that trains would be able to move at their maximum speed. High speed rail really is not to improve traffic jams which are local as their goal is to move people long distances quickly. They act more like an alternative to airlines.

    Something else that would improve traffic jams is to find a way to increase carpooling. A carrot approach is for the government to subsidize travel in some manner for folks in a car pool, the stick approach is a materially higher gas tax which would also have the benefit of putting more money into the highway trust fund.

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