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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
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    i think we might be doing it wrong.
    Yup....because this is soooo much better.

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    Furthermore, can you explain why a traditional and much cheaper mass transit system wouldn't be more useful to solve the traffic issues in a metro area? I've been through the area several times that this colossal waste of money is gonna be built and have never seen traffic like that.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What is wrong is living and working in a densely populated city.
    it seems that living where the jobs are makes more sense from an energy-usage perspective.

    i was simply arguing that there are better ways to get people to their jobs than six lanes of gridlock in both directions.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    nothing. i'm just proposing that there might be a slightly more efficient way to get people to and from their jobs than six lanes of gridlock in both directions.
    Which HSR would be neither efficient nor cost effective....at all.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Yup....because this is soooo much better.

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    iceland-volcanic-ash-impact_toronto-star_april-16-2010-14.jpg

    Furthermore, can you explain why a traditional and much cheaper mass transit system wouldn't be more useful to solve the traffic issues in a metro area? I've been through the area several times that this colossal waste of money is gonna be built and have never seen traffic like that.
    while the local mass transit systems need expansion as well, the high speed trains would get those in distant suburbs to the city. right now, they're driving, and many are driving solo. i do the same in my state. if there were high speed rail to the town i work in, i'd use it fairly often.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    while the local mass transit systems need expansion as well, the high speed trains would get those in distant suburbs to the city. right now, they're driving, and many are driving solo. i do the same in my state. if there were high speed rail to the town i work in, i'd use it fairly often.
    Again, HSR wouldn't be necessary. Traditional would be more than adequate and much cheaper. Its doesn't even make sense as for any decent distance, you'd require multiple stops to even come close to breaking even (still likely would swim in red ink).

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Does any one know how the financing of the California Bullet Train is going to work?

    The part of the Bullet Train that Jerry Brown and Barack Obama have money for will be built between Bakersfield and Fresno. How smart is that? Do you want to know why this segment is being built now? The environmental litigation is less vicious far from the coast. The problem is that most people live along the coast in Southern California and the Bay Area.

    No one has any idea how the other segments of the Bullet Train will be financed. How smart is that? Hope and blind faith aren't much of a substitute for consensus based policy.

    School funding is being cut. But Jerry Brown and Barack Obama want to waste money on a boondoggle.

    California isn't like the rest of the country. California is unique in this country. And the magnitude of our financial hole is equally unique.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    No one has any idea how the other segments of the Bullet Train will be financed. How smart is that? Hope and blind faith aren't much of a substitute for consensus based policy.

    School funding is being cut. But Jerry Brown and Barack Obama want to waste money on a boondoggle.

    California isn't like the rest of the country. California is unique in this country. And the magnitude of our financial hole is equally unique.
    Its the Field of Dreams approach. Build it....and it will come!

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it seems that living where the jobs are makes more sense from an energy-usage perspective.

    i was simply arguing that there are better ways to get people to their jobs than six lanes of gridlock in both directions.
    There are plenty of large cities that are not cramped with millions of people, don't have a lot of pollution, excessive property values and lot of crime.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Does any one know how the financing of the California Bullet Train is going to work?

    The part of the Bullet Train that Jerry Brown and Barack Obama have money for will be built between Bakersfield and Fresno. How smart is that? Do you want to know why this segment is being built now? The environmental litigation is less vicious far from the coast. The problem is that most people live along the coast in Southern California and the Bay Area.

    No one has any idea how the other segments of the Bullet Train will be financed. How smart is that? Hope and blind faith aren't much of a substitute for consensus based policy.

    School funding is being cut. But Jerry Brown and Barack Obama want to waste money on a boondoggle.

    California isn't like the rest of the country. California is unique in this country. And the magnitude of our financial hole is equally unique.
    I believe they started with that section because there wasn't much issue with eminent domain.

    Good to see someone getting some use from the funds my idiot governor turned down.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Does any one know how the financing of the California Bullet Train is going to work?

    The part of the Bullet Train that Jerry Brown and Barack Obama have money for will be built between Bakersfield and Fresno. How smart is that? Do you want to know why this segment is being built now? The environmental litigation is less vicious far from the coast. The problem is that most people live along the coast in Southern California and the Bay Area.

    No one has any idea how the other segments of the Bullet Train will be financed. How smart is that? Hope and blind faith aren't much of a substitute for consensus based policy.

    California isn't like the rest of the country. California is unique in this country. And the magnitude of our financial hole is equally unique.
    Can you imagine if they said that about the Saturn V moon rocket? We can subsidize the hell out of private airports for billionaires private jets but modern transportation for the masses is taboo? Do you even understand how far behind we have gotten since we landed on the moon? The top 5% saw their networth go from 8 to 40 TRILLION since 1985 while the countries infrastructure and technological advantage has crumbled to dust. Our priorities are despicable and must change.

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