Page 3 of 19 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 188

Thread: California Senate vote keeps bullet train alive(edited)

  1. #21
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As far as I am aware, such projects rarely are expected to make a profit in other countries.
    Aren't those countries in debt too?


    They are considered as necessities for the public good.
    If they cost more to construct,maintain and operate then what they bring in, then they are not for the public good.Especially something that costs billions of dollars. I know the green with envy lib-tard mantra is to just tax the living hell out of the rich but even that money will disappear assuming those tax hikes don't chase the rich away.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-07-12 at 01:13 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  2. #22
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,143

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Amtrak, A Giant Money Pit | Government Waste, Fraud and Abuse

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    seems to be just what california is doing,anyone remember the 40 years of failure for amtrak???????????
    spoken like someone who has never enjoyed the ability to travel the DC area using its metro mass transit system
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  3. #23
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:27 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    89,831

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    spoken like someone who has never enjoyed the ability to travel the DC area using its metro mass transit system
    The Washington DC Metro is amazing. I love using it when I am in town. I wish every city had something like that.

    If every single transportation network, public road, street and highway was budgeted to make a profit or not be built, I suspect we would still be living on dirt.
    __________________________________________________ _
    There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.... John Rogers

  4. #24
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,143

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    If we want to be realistic then we know that this is just a small down payment of the total cost of a project which will cost upwards of $100 billion. This section as I understand it will not be able to move many people at all. I think you know this but refuse rational debate and instead prefer ideological silliness.
    this is when i know i have defeated someone in a debate. when they pretend to tell me what i know despite that i have said something which is contrary to their own - and in this instance, unsupported - opinion
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  5. #25
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,674

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Attachment 67130608

    i think we might be doing it wrong.
    Just how many of those trains do you think will be running on a rail at any given time? Mass transit is a great idea where properly used. In some areas it may even be worth the excessive expense. You really truly cant think light rail is going to be the answer to traffic gridlock in Ca...can you???

  6. #26
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Last Seen
    12-31-14 @ 08:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,177

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What is wrong is living and working in a densely populated city.
    Ya why hasn't any else thought of that? Why do we need to build infrastructure to support large cities, its wrong to live and work there after all. If those people didn't want to deal with traffic they should just all move out of the city, simple as that.

  7. #27
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they cost more to construct,maintain and operate then what they bring in, then they are not for the public good.
    So you are against the federal highways system, plus the US military, Coast Gaurd, and so on and so on.. all those cost far more to construct, maintain and operate.. they in fact being in very very little..
    PeteEU

  8. #28
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,090

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As far as I am aware, such projects rarely are expected to make a profit in other countries. They are considered as necessities for the public good.
    Yes and no.

    Public transport to rural areas is deemed as a "public good", but in big cities and with high speed rail, they are seen as a public good but required to at least break even in the medium and long run.

    The French TGV cost billions to make, but is now years after its completion for the most part, it is pumping out up to a billion in profits a year.
    PeteEU

  9. #29
    Sage
    mike2810's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    arizona
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:34 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    15,012

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    So california and the feds are going to spend an estimated 94billion dollars to build this. So we borrow more and fall deeper in debt. Wonder how much the 700million would help education or health care in that State? Oh wait, we can sell more bonds and raise more taxes. Yea.

    "California now will have to allot more than $700 million a year to repay billions of dollars to build the high-speed rail system's first phase, the nonpartisan legislative analyst's office finds.

    Borrowing costs for bullet train revised upward - Los Angeles Times

  10. #30
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,578

    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    spoken like someone who has never enjoyed the ability to travel the DC area using its metro mass transit system
    That DC "metro area" system is very good IFF you can get to it; but has very few stops outside of the I-495 capital beltway. Only 2 on the blue line, 1 on the yellow line and the best service on the red line with 8 stops in the suburbs outside of the beltway. Only Montgomery county, MD had the brains to actually allow decent service to allow its commuters to use that system. The system is great where it exists, but is mostly underground, again the exception is in Montgomery county, MD (they used the I-270 right of way). The system SHOULD have been built using more above ground tracks, extending the system, using the median space on the major commuter road right of ways (I-95 N & S, and MD Rt. 5), to save money and to get more comuters to actually USE it. Nothing works like a train whizzing by you, as you sit in a gridlocked traffic jam. For many, in the suburbs you must drive 60% of the way and then pay to park, just to ride the Metro the rest of the way. It also does NOT service the football stadium, to preserve the massive parking revenue for its rich owners.
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 07-07-12 at 06:14 PM.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

Page 3 of 19 FirstFirst 1234513 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •