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    Re: California bullet train still a go

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    my community is now the country's nuclear design center
    Would you please name your community?

    it's a local growth industry
    I like the idea of growth, but not the idea of poison or nuclear accidents along earthquake fault lines or in active seismic zones.

    safe designs are emerging as the template for the future
    Environmental extremists won't allow implementation of safe designs. New nuclear power development in California will be tied up in litigation under the California Environmental Quality Act.

    and opposition to nuclear is on the wane (here, not in japan)
    California is controlled by a political coalition which includes radical environmentalists who are capable of shutting down any power development.

    you do know that all the power consumed in california does not have to originate within my native state don't you
    Yes I know. That's one of the reasons power is so expensive in California. Since radical environmentalists will prevent development of new energy sources within California, a greater percentage of California's power will be imported from other states and from Mexico.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Show me one rail commuter system that is making money, or just breaking even.
    Why? The California HSR system isn't a commuter rail system. Commuter rail is 20-50 miles long and radiates from downtown to the suburbs. It is just as profitable as the highways that parallel it.

    Now...a high speed rail system in the United States that makes a profit, sure. Out of the one we have, one is profitable...Acela.

    From one of their monthly performance reports (C-1):

    For September 2010 YTD:
    Revenue: $449.9M
    Expenses: $349.3M
    Profit: $100.6M

    You'll find the same thing in Spain, Germany, Taiwan, Japan...

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    Why? The California HSR system isn't a commuter rail system. Commuter rail is 20-50 miles long and radiates from downtown to the suburbs. It is just as profitable as the highways that parallel it.

    Now...a high speed rail system in the United States that makes a profit, sure. Out of the one we have, one is profitable...Acela.

    From one of their monthly performance reports (C-1):

    For September 2010 YTD:
    Revenue: $449.9M
    Expenses: $349.3M
    Profit: $100.6M

    You'll find the same thing in Spain, Germany, Taiwan, Japan...
    Thank you for answering the question. Now, what's the anticipated ridership for this California implementation? Are they anticipating breaking even, making a profit or operating at a loss?

    Finally, what is the need?
    Last edited by clownboy; 07-11-12 at 04:52 PM.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    Why? The California HSR system isn't a commuter rail system. Commuter rail is 20-50 miles long and radiates from downtown to the suburbs. It is just as profitable as the highways that parallel it.

    Now...a high speed rail system in the United States that makes a profit, sure. Out of the one we have, one is profitable...Acela.

    From one of their monthly performance reports (C-1):

    For September 2010 YTD:
    Revenue: $449.9M
    Expenses: $349.3M
    Profit: $100.6M

    You'll find the same thing in Spain, Germany, Taiwan, Japan...
    How is High Speed Rail doing in China?

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by TitusAndronicus View Post
    Why? The California HSR system isn't a commuter rail system. Commuter rail is 20-50 miles long and radiates from downtown to the suburbs. It is just as profitable as the highways that parallel it.

    Now...a high speed rail system in the United States that makes a profit, sure. Out of the one we have, one is profitable...Acela.

    From one of their monthly performance reports (C-1):

    For September 2010 YTD:
    Revenue: $449.9M
    Expenses: $349.3M
    Profit: $100.6M

    You'll find the same thing in Spain, Germany, Taiwan, Japan...
    AMTRAK/ACELA as a money MAKER? Are you kiddng me?

    Taxes picking up tab for Amtrak losses | Marketplace.org

    PostPartisan - High-speed rail will take taxpayers for a ride

    Amtrak: 40 Years, $40 Billion - Tom Schatz - National Review Online

    Bombardier Urges Upgrades as Tracks Slow Amtrak Acela - Businessweek

    Trophy train project, legacy for lawmakers | CalWatchDog

    http://www.examiner.com/article/wisc...s-14-6-million
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    California is billions of dollars in debt and they want to build a segment that costs 8 billion. Do these clowns in California realize that they are in debt?
    it's not 8 billion but 68 billion. It's a sudden rush do you know why?

    727. Rush to frame a case on 7/9 (7/9/2012)

    On 7/4, I wrote about the mysterious turnaround of Chief Justice Roberts and promised to tell "why he did so" in next(today's) post. Now I'm afraid I can't do so because next day of 7/4 there was a swift response from the Feds.

    ‘Internet doomsday’ due on Monday, claims FBI

    The ‘DNS Changer’ virus will cause more than 350,000 computers to lose web access on July 9, the FBI has claimed.


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    05 Jul 2012

    DNS Changer was a virus run by an Estonian crime ring until authorities and the American FBI broke it up in November. At its peak it infected more than 500,000 PCs and Macs.

    Now the Bureau wants to turn off the server because it is costing tens of thousands of dollars to operate each month. It has announced that on July 9 it will pull the plug, potentially leaving the 350,000 computers that are still infected, 20,000 of which are in the UK and 85,000 in America, without access to the web.

    ‘Internet doomsday’ due on Monday, claims FBI - Telegraph
    I used to post new articles in a cycle of "5 days, 9 days ...." interval. 7/9 is the day I post a new article. Due to the accuracy of my analysis, The Feds seems decided not to let people know the coming plot by blogging my access to the internet. What alarms me is they'll frame a new drug case.


    California high-speed rail gets green light

    By JUDY LIN | Associated Press 7/7/2012


    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California lawmakers gave the green light to start building the nation's first dedicated high-speed rail line, a multibillion dollar project that will eventually link Los Angeles and San Francisco.

    ...

    The final cost of the completed project from Los Angeles to San Francisco is projected to be $68 billion.

    Before Friday's vote, at least half a dozen Democrats in the 40-member Senate remained opposed, skeptical or uncommitted. Some were concerned about how the vote would impact their political futures, while others were wary about financing and management of the massive project.

    One dissenter, Sen. Joe Simitian, D-Palo Alto, said public support had waned for the project, and there were too many questions about financing to complete it.

    "Is there additional commitment of federal funds? There is not. Is there additional commitment of private funding? There is not. Is there a dedicated funding source that we can look to in the coming years? There is not," Simitian said.

    California high-speed rail gets green light - Yahoo! News
    What the news doesn't mention is that the technique will be from China. In a time when money is so tight in state budget, what is it for to waste on such an uncertain project that mainly benefits China? I view it as a payment of secret deal between the secret police of China and US to exchange for a framed drug case.

    The two events took place just within two days after 7/4. They were done in a rush and planned to frame a case on 7/9.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    it's not 8 billion but 68 billion. It's a sudden rush do you know why?

    727. Rush to frame a case on 7/9 (7/9/2012)

    On 7/4, I wrote about the mysterious turnaround of Chief Justice Roberts and promised to tell "why he did so" in next(today's) post. Now I'm afraid I can't do so because next day of 7/4 there was a swift response from the Feds.



    I used to post new articles in a cycle of "5 days, 9 days ...." interval. 7/9 is the day I post a new article. Due to the accuracy of my analysis, The Feds seems decided not to let people know the coming plot by blogging my access to the internet. What alarms me is they'll frame a new drug case.




    What the news doesn't mention is that the technique will be from China. In a time when money is so tight in state budget, what is it for to waste on such an uncertain project that mainly benefits China? I view it as a payment of secret deal between the secret police of China and US to exchange for a framed drug case.

    The two events took place just within two days after 7/4. They were done in a rush and planned to frame a case on 7/9.
    gotta admit i had a craving for tinfoil as i read that post
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Within the very quote you cite, I posted the numbers and the performance report. What more could you possibly want? It's there in black and white. Acela is the profitable wing of Amtrak.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    How is High Speed Rail doing in China?
    Great if you mean how much HSR stuff that we buy from them. ;-)
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thank you for answering the question. Now, what's the anticipated ridership for this California implementation? Are they anticipating breaking even, making a profit or operating at a loss?

    Finally, what is the need?
    The ridership and revenue data is all reported on their website. They anticipate an operational profit.

    The need is 23M more people in California by 2050.

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