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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The problem with the comparison is that the Space Program didn't just put some guys in space, it changed everything. Theory, physics, intellectual pursuit, and continues to bring forth an endless amount of new and wonderful possibilities. The best a train can do is move people around, and give some people jobs.
    "new and wonderful possibilities"

    "just moves people around."

    "moves people around" > "possibilities"

    "moving people around" actually is something concrete and real

    "possibilities" is something that doesn't exist
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    "new and wonderful possibilities"

    "just moves people around."

    "moves people around" > "possibilities"

    "moving people around" actually is something concrete and real

    "possibilities" is something that doesn't exist
    Way to focus on a tree in the forest.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok. i understand you

    when i saw the reference, i thought it appropriate, because the comparison to the space program was apt
    back then, many resisted putting money in outer space because they insisted that there were so many things on earth which deserved to be funded, instead
    notice how that comparison is a valid one when contrasting it with the high speed rail project
    That some folks believed the Space Program money not-well-spent would be the only comparison. That there will always be naysayers seems a very weak basis for comparative "I told you so's".

    Agree or disagree at that time, the space program had tentacles of technological advancement that reached far and wide. The benefits that we each reap almost hourly from things in space now, or technologies advanced on the ground, is mind-boggling in scope.

    This HSR brings none of that to the table. It will inspire virtually no new industry. Its value lies soley in whether it will be a prudent investment in addressing transportation needs. All surveys say "No". I would argue that this thread is full of common sense that says "No".

    Regardless, comparison to the space program was very weak.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    That some folks believed the Space Program money not-well-spent would be the only comparison. That there will always be naysayers seems a very weak basis for comparative "I told you so's".

    Agree or disagree at that time, the space program had tentacles of technological advancement that reached far and wide. The benefits that we each reap almost hourly from things in space now, or technologies advanced on the ground, is mind-boggling in scope.

    This HSR brings none of that to the table. It will inspire virtually no new industry. Its value lies soley in whether it will be a prudent investment in addressing transportation needs. All surveys say "No". I would argue that this thread is full of common sense that says "No".

    Regardless, comparison to the space program was very weak.
    What surveys are these? The economic studies I've seen all show that the completed project will have a very large plus-side impact.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What surveys are these? The economic studies I've seen all show that the completed project will have a very large plus-side impact.
    all one has to do to project the resulting development is to look at how development has followed the construction of other mass transit infrastructure in the USA and elsewhere
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    all one has to do to project the resulting development is to look at how development has followed the construction of other mass transit infrastructure in the USA and elsewhere
    Then you have massive, ugly sprawl along the transit lines. Not a desirable outcome.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Yes built here but by foreign companies who have the technology since we took a pass on trains a long time ago.
    Highspeed trains will require a new track to handle the speed, grade crossings will be eliminated too. Like this 200MPH French TGV line completed in 2007.
    Notice the track is electrified and France gets 80% of their power from nuclear sources. Are they are so far ahead of us in efficiency that you want to just give up?
    What screams out at me from your post is that the French are getting most of the power to electrify their rail system from nuclear energy. How smart is that? I know you agree that's not very smart. Shakes head at the bullet train people. Train to nowhere.

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then you have massive, ugly sprawl along the transit lines. Not a desirable outcome.
    not if you have smart building codes - and enforce them
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    What screams out at me from your post is that the French are getting most of the power to electrify their rail system from nuclear energy. How smart is that? I know you agree that's not very smart. Shakes head at the bullet train people. Train to nowhere.
    it's quite smart
    another french idea which we should adopt
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it's quite smart
    another french idea which we should adopt
    Three Mile Island...Chernobyl...Fukushima. The environmental movement will not allow any more nuclear power plants to be built in California. The nuke plants already in California are being shut down. So there is no chance nuclear power will be used to electrify the rails for the train to no where. So where will the power come from? New power plants of any sort are going to be built in this state. None. Where will the power come from?

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