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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    A Field Poll conducted in November 2011 says that 64% of Californians want the opportunity for a re-vote. Furthermore, 59% of those voters say that they would reject the plan, if they could vote on it again. Of those who voted for Proposition 1A in 2008, 37% said they would now vote against it.[10] The poll was conducted from November 15-27, 2011 among a random sample of 1,000 registered voters in California.[11]

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    What they're doing isn't what the people voted on. 64% want the opportunity to re-vote since the plan has changed so much. The Democrats control Sacramento, if they insist on forcing this down the throats of California taxpayers when the plan is so obviously different from what we voted on the Democrats just may find themselves in the minority party come Jan 2013 and Jerry Browndoggle fathering California's second tax revolt. it was crap just like this that brought about Prop 13.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So it's a good idea, for a place that has serious revenue and debt issues, to build a train system that will add to those revenue and debt issues, because Japan and some other countries did it?
    Is that really your thought process?
    It depends on the support the project gets. If it is run like AMTRAK where failure is the desired result and funding is restricted to make sure of it, then no. If it is treated as an asset and becomes a showpiece for what high speed rail can do then yes it will be worth the jobs it creates. Of course you'll say it will fail, just like Apollo 11 would have failed had we had nothing but naysayers bent on making failure of everything Govt. a self-fulfilling prophecy back in 1969. Thank God you all were not born yet

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    If it went 500mph I'd ride it. Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather just fly.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It depends on the support the project gets. If it is run like AMTRAK where failure is the desired result and funding is restricted to make sure of it, then no. If it is treated as an asset and becomes a showpiece for what high speed rail can do then yes it will be worth the jobs it creates. Of course you'll say it will fail, just like Apollo 11 would have failed had we had nothing but naysayers bent on making failure of everything Govt. a self-fulfilling prophecy back in 1969. Thank God you all were not born yet
    Don't even try to compare this **** project to the Space Program.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It depends on the support the project gets. If it is run like AMTRAK where failure is the desired result and funding is restricted to make sure of it, then no. If it is treated as an asset and becomes a showpiece for what high speed rail can do then yes it will be worth the jobs it creates. Of course you'll say it will fail, just like Apollo 11 would have failed had we had nothing but naysayers bent on making failure of everything Govt. a self-fulfilling prophecy back in 1969. Thank God you all were not born yet
    You do understand that these comparisons are completely without merit.
    Apollo 11 had a clear scientific mission, the only failure of it, would likely be mechanical or design.

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    HSR has many problems, especially this specific line.
    Many of these mass transit projects divert highway funds, that are needed for road maintenance.
    This specific line, has the most idiotic plot points, servicing a very narrow group of people.
    The destinations are outside of two major cities, requiring further transportation planning by the individuals riding it, whether it be taxi, rental car or another type of mass transit, to actually reach the city.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Don't even try to compare this **** project to the Space Program.
    why do you find that objectionable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why do you find that objectionable?
    Because the space program was a huge step forward for mankind as a whole. He may as well be comparing walmart to the Macedonian empire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Because the space program was a huge step forward for mankind as a whole. He may as well be comparing walmart to the Macedonian empire.
    ok. i understand you

    when i saw the reference, i thought it appropriate, because the comparison to the space program was apt
    back then, many resisted putting money in outer space because they insisted that there were so many things on earth which deserved to be funded, instead
    notice how that comparison is a valid one when contrasting it with the high speed rail project
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok. i understand you

    when i saw the reference, i thought it appropriate, because the comparison to the space program was apt
    back then, many resisted putting money in outer space because they insisted that there were so many things on earth which deserved to be funded, instead
    notice how that comparison is a valid one when contrasting it with the high speed rail project
    The problem with the comparison is that the Space Program didn't just put some guys in space, it changed everything. Theory, physics, intellectual pursuit, and continues to bring forth an endless amount of new and wonderful possibilities. The best a train can do is move people around, and give some people jobs.
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    Re: California bullet train still a go

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The problem with the comparison is that the Space Program didn't just put some guys in space, it changed everything. Theory, physics, intellectual pursuit, and continues to bring forth an endless amount of new and wonderful possibilities. The best a train can do is move people around, and give some people jobs.
    you are preaching to the converted
    the space program - the opportunity to be a part of it - was the very reason i got my aerospace engineering degree

    but you are looking at it with the benefit of hindsight
    at the time JFK proposed a program to put a man on the moon by the end of the decade, there were LOTS of naysayers
    and their typical refrain was that there were too many other - earthbound - uses for the money that was about to be spent by NASA
    and we see that with today's high speed rail project. the same nay saying goes on with the same - ever present excuse - the money could be better spent elsewhere
    that is why the comparison is found - by me, anyway - to be quite appropriate
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