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Payrolls In U.S. Rose 80,000 In June; Jobless Rate 8.2%

yes, then we could return to the same practices that put our economy in the ditch
great idea [/s]
Most of us are looking for the type of practices that will pull us out of this ditch. We've been sitting on the bottom of this thing for three years now. It's time for a change.

Just 84,000 jobs, one third of which were temporary positions.
 
Obama has failed libs. Massively. Time to man-up.
 
Really? So you think that home construction is a dead industry forever? How do you figure that? How exactly is the subprime housing bubble not cyclic?

Look deeper. The political culture ensures that the country is no longer self-correcting.
 
National gas prices have fallen more than 50 cents in the past 3 months, a fairly significant drop.
Gas prices skyrocketed .. then fell back to earth a bit.

When they're already earthbound and then they quickly drop 75 cents, a dollar, or more, that's a plunge.

They should start to rocket back up in about a week, summer vacationing being what it is.
 
In Houston, gas prices have dropped to about 3 bucks a gallon from almost 4 bucks a gallon. To me, that is definitely a plunge. But does Obama get credit for it? Hell no. It's market forces at work. Same as when Bush was in office. When gas prices were high, Liberals accused Bush of conspiring with oil companies, then when prices plunged, they said Bush had nothing to do with it. And of course Bush had nothing to do with falling gas prices in 2008. Obama has nothing to do with falling gas prices in 2012. But, depending on whether you are a Democratic partisan hack or a Republican one, you will hear a completely different story from what I posted here. LOL.
I'd sure like to see 3.00/gal. in my neck of the urban woods out west here, as we're still hovering way too close to 4.00/gal.

When the prices get grounded again, and then drop dramatically, to me, that would be a plunge.

As to liberal v. conservative, Obama v. Bush apologists-blamers, I couldn't agree with you more.

It isn't one or the other's fault -- both wings are equally culpable.

How?

Oh, they have to be; they just have to be -- they're wingers.

Things always get screwed up from the wings.
 
I wish we had a choice this election that wasn't Bush again. Obama has already shown that his approach to fixing things is to spend 3.4 million per job and otherwise keep plugging on with Bush's policies. Romney hasn't even put forth a plan, but my money is on him offering more of the same. I wonder if we'll get a second option again in my lifetime.
 
Obama has failed libs. Massively. Time to man-up.

I hate to agree, since I did vote for him, but he hasn't done well. We've had two massive failures in a row now, the way I see it. I hope Romney won't be one.
 
I hate to agree, since I did vote for him, but he hasn't done well. We've had two massive failures in a row now, the way I see it. I hope Romney won't be one.

He won't. :D
 
I hate to agree, since I did vote for him, but he hasn't done well. We've had two massive failures in a row now, the way I see it. I hope Romney won't be one.

If every President just ran it like Business 101, we'd be in such superb shape.

Obama has failed beyond massively. The black marxist experiment needs to end yesterday.

And liberals need to get back to being Americans first.
 
If every President just ran it like Business 101, we'd be in such superb shape.

Obama has failed beyond massively. The black marxist experiment needs to end yesterday.

And liberals need to get back to being Americans first.
Perhaps you could point to a single president who ran the country like a business.

And your credibility wanes further still.

As opposed to being what exactly?
 
Perhaps you could point to a single president who ran the country like a business.

And your credibility wanes further still.

As opposed to being what exactly?

I never said that one did. I did say that such would be most commendable. In this century, Eisenhower and Harding ran it most like a business. And both were enormously successful with the finances of the country.

Since you chose to comment on my credibility. My kids crap bigger than you. And I crap bigger than them. DUH !

When are you going to put America first ?
 
I never said that one did. I did say that such would be most commendable. In this century, Eisenhower and Harding ran it most like a business. And both were enormously successful with the finances of the country.

Since you chose to comment on my credibility. My kids crap bigger than you. And I crap bigger than them. DUH !

When are you going to put America first ?
And with good reason. The federal government and a business operated strictly for profit are not directly comparable.

Unfortunately the size of your children's bowel movements don't redeem or lend credit to the vacuous, mal-informed rhetoric you were spouting a scant few posts previously.

Presumptuous, vague and unfounded per usual.
 
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If every President just ran it like Business 101, we'd be in such superb shape.

Obama has failed beyond massively. The black marxist experiment needs to end yesterday.

And liberals need to get back to being Americans first.

This is where we part company, friend.

Running government like a business is a mistake. If the government raked in huge windfalls, we'd (rightfully) expect a tax cut. When a business does that, they try to do it again. Two very different things.

I don't think that Obama's a Marxist. If he is, he's a bad one. I fail to see where his race has anything to do with anything. He's not been a very good President. But that's it.

We all need to get back to being Americans first. That some (a minority, but some) Conservatives wanted Obama to fail is sickening. We needed him to be a success. He has not been, but it's disgusting that somebody is happy that America is still foundering because it helps his petty political game.
 
This is where we part company, friend.

Running government like a business is a mistake. If the government raked in huge windfalls, we'd (rightfully) expect a tax cut. When a business does that, they try to do it again. Two very different things.

I don't think that Obama's a Marxist. If he is, he's a bad one. I fail to see where his race has anything to do with anything. He's not been a very good President. But that's it.

We all need to get back to being Americans first. That some (a minority, but some) Conservatives wanted Obama to fail is sickening. We needed him to be a success. He has not been, but it's disgusting that somebody is happy that America is still foundering because it helps his petty political game.

Real short. Even by Keynesian policy, windfalls are for rainy day funds. Regardless, running it as a business is so as to avoid massive debt.

The issue is not short term success, or failure. Obama's plan is destined for long term ruin. I want him to fail short term, as that is the best way to avoid the certain long-term failure. Like watching your daughter fall in love with a shallow scumbag. You want her to WAKE UP before its too late.

In closing, it does not matter if we agree that Obama is a Marxist or not. He is a complete failure. No matter the flavor.

History will show him the Marxist.
 
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This is where we part company, friend.

Running government like a business is a mistake. If the government raked in huge windfalls, we'd (rightfully) expect a tax cut. When a business does that, they try to do it again. Two very different things.

I don't think that Obama's a Marxist. If he is, he's a bad one. I fail to see where his race has anything to do with anything. He's not been a very good President. But that's it.

We all need to get back to being Americans first. That some (a minority, but some) Conservatives wanted Obama to fail is sickening. We needed him to be a success. He has not been, but it's disgusting that somebody is happy that America is still foundering because it helps his petty political game.

And the problem there is not running government like a business, its the peons who would expect a tax cut because there is a surplus. Leaving the government to borrow money when we hit a recession.
 
Santayana told us that those who fail to learn their history are destined to re-live it
so, in politics, it is not bad form to examine which regimes have placed our nation at risk
and certainly the practices of the dicknbush regime did so. especially economically
causing a reasonable person to conclude that we should not again opt for a re-visiting of those same political policies and practices upon our nation

If that was the case you would recognize what Bush inherited from Clinton. Bush was a big enough man not to continually blame the previous administration.
 
…Presumptuous, vague and unfounded per usual.

While off topic I’m curious, the gears in your avatar are locked motionless in perpetuity. Is this an intentional reflection of yourself or just some random cool pix?
 
If that was the case you would recognize what Bush inherited from Clinton. Bush was a big enough man not to continually blame the previous administration.

It would have been a little awkward continually reminding people that he inherited a balanced budget and turned it into a whopping deficit. Just sayin'....
 
Not sure what enjoyment you have going back and forth with this poster. Better to just bang your head against the wall. I am sure he knows what he is saying is nonsense, just having some fun.

I'm sure you are correct...that's why I've stopped responding to him and that other one.

Frankly, I find their actions to be quite juvenile.
 
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If that was the case you would recognize what Bush inherited from Clinton. Bush was a big enough man not to continually blame the previous administration.

Because he could not blame Clinton.. Clinton did not leave him with a recession. There was no 2 quarters of negative growth up to the Bush administration and the first few years of the Bush administration. Another right wing myth.. lie.. revisionist history making.

However, Bush did leave the worst economy since the great depression and Obama rightfully can blame him for quite a bit of the "bad stuff"... not all off it of course. Getting out of the hole Bush dug, takes more than a few years and it will only take longer when Congress is in the hands of morons who only have their own interests and that of their masters.. aka donors interests in mind.
 
Because he could not blame Clinton.. Clinton did not leave him with a recession. There was no 2 quarters of negative growth up to the Bush administration and the first few years of the Bush administration. Another right wing myth.. lie.. revisionist history making.

However, Bush did leave the worst economy since the great depression and Obama rightfully can blame him for quite a bit of the "bad stuff"... not all off it of course. Getting out of the hole Bush dug, takes more than a few years and it will only take longer when Congress is in the hands of morons who only have their own interests and that of their masters.. aka donors interests in mind.

When the recession hit he sure as hell could have blamed Clinton. As it was Clintons bills that caused it.

Prove how that is a lie.

Just as Obama should be blaming Clinton now. And those who foreclosed on houses they couldnt afford.
 
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