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Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military service

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Redress said:
I call Bush and McCain hero's. But then again, I am consistant and not using idiology to base attacks on service.
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And do you agree with General Wesley Clark's statement during the 2008 campaign that getting shot down doesn't qualify anybody to be President?
 
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jerry7 said:
And do you agree with General Wesley Clark's statement during the 2008 campaign that getting shot down doesn't qualify anybody to be President?
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Why are you so desperate to distract from the topic?
 
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Redress said:
Why are you so desperate to distract from the topic?
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There is no attempt to distract. And if I didn't find the debating of politics fun I wouldn't be here. "Desperate" is funny. I'll try not to lose you on this one: Gen. Clark in essence said the same thing about McCain that Walsh said about Duckworth. That her military experience, in and of itself, does not qualify her for the job. See how easy that was? It is relevant.
 
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jerry7 said:
And do you agree with General Wesley Clark's statement during the 2008 campaign that getting shot down doesn't qualify anybody to be President?
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I've only skimmed this thread so I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I'd agree with that. Certainly, a person's military service, especially in combat, is very relevant to assessing character and someone like that automatically has greater respect from me, but getting shot down does not, in itself, make someone qualified to be President.
 
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X Factor said:
I've only skimmed this thread so I'm not sure what you're getting at, but I'd agree with that. Certainly, a person's military service, especially in combat, is very relevant to assessing character and someone like that automatically has greater respect from me, but getting shot down does not, in itself, make someone qualified to be President.
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I agree with it too. And that was what Walsh said about Duckworth. You're a military hero but that alone doesn't qualify you for Congress. I don't recall anybody on either side of the aisle not understanding or disagreeing with Clark.
 
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jerry7 said:
I agree with it too. And that was what Walsh said about Duckworth. You're a military hero but that alone doesn't qualify you for Congress. I don't recall anybody on either side of the aisle not understanding or disagreeing with Clark.
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That is not what he said.

"Now I'm running against a woman who, I mean-- my God-- that's all she talks about," Walsh told an audience in Elk Grove, Ill. "Our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it's the last thing in the world they talk about."
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That is pretty clearly saying she is not a "true hero".
 
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So when he's not demogoging his opponent's military service and heroism, what issues does Walsh talk about?


Not paying his child support....

"Joe personally loaned his campaign $35,000, which, given that he failed to make any child support payments to Laura because he `had no money' is surprising," Laura Walsh's attorneys wrote in the motion. "Joe has paid himself back at least $14,200 for the loans he gave himself."..."

Joe Walsh Sued For More Than $100,000 In Child Support
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Interesting how after a year and a half he finally paid his child support just a few weeks ago and just in time for the election.

I really don't think Biff er uh Walsh is going to get re-elected. He bullys his own constituants....

Rep. Joe Walsh yells at his constituents - YouTube

That guy is on something more than just caffine.
 
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jerry7 said:
I agree with it too. And that was what Walsh said about Duckworth. You're a military hero but that alone doesn't qualify you for Congress. I don't recall anybody on either side of the aisle not understanding or disagreeing with Clark.
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What qualifies Walsh for congress?
 
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DiAnna said:
I saw it happen, bunky, more than once. I saw film of returning soldiers being flipped off and called "babykillers" in airports. I saw friends of my own who returned from 'Nam spit at, called names, and insulted simply because they had been drafted against their will and sent to a war they didn't start. One guy I knew had a beer thrown on him because someone saw the outline of his dogtags under his civilian tee-shirt when he was on leave. Another friend was deliberately tripped in the airport, and laughed at when he fell with his pack to the airport floor. It happened all the damned time to our returning vets from 'Nam.

It's no ****ing myth, and I'm sick of people who did not even exist back then pretending that it didn't happen. It DID happen, damn it.

And it was appalling.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you sick. I existed back then and I knew some vets and I don't recall any of them saying they were spat on or treated bad at airports. But some of them said the government spat on them when they tried to get health care for the Agent Orange they were exposed to and they didn't live to see that nice memorial in DC. Don't know if they're names are on it or not....but probably not.

Because of that dirty little war and the draft, the anger of the anti-war protestors was understandable. It brought an end to the war.
 
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Moot said:
So when he's not demogoging his opponent's military service and heroism, what issues does Walsh talk about?


Not paying his child support....



Interesting how after a year and a half he finally paid his child support just a few weeks ago and just in time for the election.

I really don't think Biff er uh Walsh is going to get re-elected. He bullys his own constituants....

Rep. Joe Walsh yells at his constituents - YouTube

That guy is on something more than just caffine.
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Being a dickhead is one thing, but not being responsible for the care of your own children is a special type of punk.
 
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DiAnna said:
I saw it happen, bunky, more than once. I saw film of returning soldiers being flipped off and called "babykillers" in airports. I saw friends of my own who returned from 'Nam spit at, called names, and insulted simply because they had been drafted against their will and sent to a war they didn't start. One guy I knew had a beer thrown on him because someone saw the outline of his dogtags under his civilian tee-shirt when he was on leave. Another friend was deliberately tripped in the airport, and laughed at when he fell with his pack to the airport floor. It happened all the damned time to our returning vets from 'Nam.

It's no ****ing myth, and I'm sick of people who did not even exist back then pretending that it didn't happen. It DID happen, damn it.

And it was appalling.
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I wore the uniform in early 1970's through airports as we had to wear it to fly military standby. It seems back then there were soldiers, Marines, sailors and airman everywhere at major airports. And although the different branches may not have been too fond of other branches if you saw a fellow GI being tripped I think someone would be in real trouble.
Am certain you probably did see it happen a lot but I just can't picture someone tossing a beer at a GI while other GIs ignored it. That would just be asking for a major ass kicking coutesy of the red,white and blue.
 
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Moot said:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you sick. I existed back then and I knew some vets and I don't recall any of them saying they were spat on or treated bad at airports. But some of them said the government spat on them when they tried to get health care for the Agent Orange they were exposed to and they didn't live to see that nice memorial in DC. Don't know if they're names are on it or not....but probably not.

Because of that dirty little war and the draft, the anger of the anti-war protestors was understandable. It brought an end to the war.
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Draftee Reserve and other Myths from Vietnam | Veterans Today

Hate to drop a link and run but it's late so I'm dropping a link and running.
 
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Redress said:
That is not what he said.



That is pretty clearly saying she is not a "true hero".
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Yeah, that's the impression he definitely wants give, based on the quote. What a stupid thing to say. I didn't always agree with John McCain, but I always felt he earned the right to say or believe whatever he wanted. Just based on the limited information in this thread (and the article linked in the OP is obviously slanted), I feel the same way about this lady. If she's a Democrat, I'm guessing I wouldn't agree with a lot of her political positions or goals, but she sure deserves respect.
 
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The wikipedia article on Jesse Ventura is hilarious. It goes like this:

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Jesse Ventura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I never regret what I say, in fact I'd like to amplify it in time.
 
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DiAnna said:
I saw it happen, bunky, more than once. I saw film of returning soldiers being flipped off and called "babykillers" in airports. I saw friends of my own who returned from 'Nam spit at, called names, and insulted simply because they had been drafted against their will and sent to a war they didn't start. One guy I knew had a beer thrown on him because someone saw the outline of his dogtags under his civilian tee-shirt when he was on leave. Another friend was deliberately tripped in the airport, and laughed at when he fell with his pack to the airport floor. It happened all the damned time to our returning vets from 'Nam.

It's no ****ing myth, and I'm sick of people who did not even exist back then pretending that it didn't happen. It DID happen, damn it.

And it was appalling.
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Crosscheck said:
I wore the uniform in early 1970's through airports as we had to wear it to fly military standby. It seems back then there were soldiers, Marines, sailors and airman everywhere at major airports. And although the different branches may not have been too fond of other branches if you saw a fellow GI being tripped I think someone would be in real trouble.
Am certain you probably did see it happen a lot but I just can't picture someone tossing a beer at a GI while other GIs ignored it. That would just be asking for a major ass kicking coutesy of the red,white and blue.
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I was there ('68-'72) and I traveled extensivly (trains, planes and busses), in uniform. I never once saw any incident even close to what you describe. I won't say that it never, ever happened, but it most certainly didn't happen like some like to depict.

In fact just the opposite, it's impossible to count how many offers I (and others) had to buy my lunch or a drink.


As far as the thread subject, Duckworth's military career (20 Years) and her injuries are a part of her life, McCain's POW status is a part of his life, why shouldn't they talk about it?

If it is a reason to elect them or if they are talking about it too much, let the voter decide.
 
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Mirrors my own experience exactly. My years covered 70-73.
 
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AdamT said:
Thanks -- that's new to me. I guess Kerry wasn't the only one who was swiftboated.
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Sorry, Adam, but there IS a huge difference between a website that looked like it was done out of their mother's basement vs 30 seconds spots on a major television networks. Bush Sr. was not Swiftboated. Maybe a few peppered crazies had street corner megaphones, but that is it... and usually the norm. If we looked hard enough, I am sure we could find some literature on how Mother Theresa was a warmonger.
 
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jerry7 said:
For political points.
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Not scoring political points here. I likely wouldn't vote for the woman and have no desire to see her take office. However, the hypocrisy you speak of in terms of what some on the Left did with Bush Sr. and McCain is no less hypocritical than what some on the right, including Walsh, are doing in this case. Just as you can say that the left did this kind of thing to members on the right, had a member of the left said this about a Republican who had lost his legs in his military service there would be a huge outrage on the part of the right towards them.

Hypocrisy aside...political sides secondary...the comments were simply frankly uncalled for.
 
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jerry7 said:
There is no attempt to distract. And if I didn't find the debating of politics fun I wouldn't be here. "Desperate" is funny. I'll try not to lose you on this one: Gen. Clark in essence said the same thing about McCain that Walsh said about Duckworth. That her military experience, in and of itself, does not qualify her for the job. See how easy that was? It is relevant.
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And you had no issue with that? Because you seem to be having little issue with this. Did you go out of your way to characterize Clark's comment as being a poor choice of words that was used to turn a mountain into a mole hill? Or are you engaging in the exact same hypocrisy you're trying to bitch about, just reversed?
 
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Middleground said:
Sorry, Adam, but there IS a huge difference between a website that looked like it was done out of their mother's basement vs 30 seconds spots on a major television networks. Bush Sr. was not Swiftboated. Maybe a few peppered crazies had street corner megaphones, but that is it... and usually the norm. If we looked hard enough, I am sure we could find some literature on how Mother Theresa was a warmonger.
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Because comparing what's available on the internet 20 years after the last election he was in (which occurred during at time where 56k MODEM connections to the internet weren't even common) to what was available in less than a decade ago during the rise of the Web2.0 era is definitely an accurate way to measure the two.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Because comparing what's available on the internet 20 years after the last election he was in (which occurred during at time where 56k MODEM connections to the internet weren't even common) to what was available in less than a decade ago during the rise of the Web2.0 era is definitely an accurate way to measure the two.
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I agree, but OTOH I was alive and actively following the Bush/Clinton election and I have no recollection of this issue being discussed in the mainstream media. In contrast, one could hardly avoid hearing about the Kerry swiftboat claims.
 
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Moot said:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you sick. I existed back then and I knew some vets and I don't recall any of them saying they were spat on or treated bad at airports. But some of them said the government spat on them when they tried to get health care for the Agent Orange they were exposed to and they didn't live to see that nice memorial in DC. Don't know if they're names are on it or not....but probably not.

Because of that dirty little war and the draft, the anger of the anti-war protestors was understandable. It brought an end to the war.
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Just because the vets you knew were not abused by the public does not give you the right to say that such public abuse was a "myth". It wasn't. Vets I knew WERE abused, and I saw some of it with my own eyes.

Yes, the government abused the 'Nam vets, first by drafting them to fight in a war we had no business being in, then exposing them to toxins and ignoring them when they got sick. You better believe the anger of the anti-war protestors was understandable. I was one of them, marching, carrying signs, shaking my fists. And yes, we brought an end to that war.

As for the snide remark about those not living to see their names on the war memorial, there were 58,600 of them. I went to high school with some. You don't hold the high road here. All of us who lived through that war were affected by it, whether we fought in it or not.
 
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jerry7 said:
There is no attempt to distract. And if I didn't find the debating of politics fun I wouldn't be here. "Desperate" is funny. I'll try not to lose you on this one: Gen. Clark in essence said the same thing about McCain that Walsh said about Duckworth. That her military experience, in and of itself, does not qualify her for the job. See how easy that was? It is relevant.
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You cant see the difference ? Wesley clark is a partisan Republican turned democrat because the republican party wasnt backing him for SQUAT so he jumped ship
Your trying to justify what walsh has done but saying a RETIRED MILITARY Gen said a Prisoner of war for 5.5 yrs who got shot down doesnt qualify mcain to be president....To a walsh who is denigrating a young female veteran who lost both her legs and does what every politician running for office has ever done...Highlight their service..the different being that walsh has no service has never served and the wuss cant compete on an even level...so he attempts to demean her service and make her disabled COMBAT VETERAN status a mute issue....jerrry hes a piece of ****....and I hope the voters see the stench that surrounds him
Oh an to add...The democrats didnt back clark for not hing either and thats why no one knows where he is....FAIL
 
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