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Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military service

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Ok im going to jump on a partisan bandwagon here even though im an equal opportunity basher, because of personal observation lately.

Theres appears to be a whole new crop of Politicians, especially of the far right persuasion a younger crowd that has no military service. like walsh...thats ok..Not everyone has served or can serve. However, for this guy to try and marginalize this lady who gave her legs while hes given NOTHING by lip is unacceptable to me. She should and has every right to run on her service as he has to run as a teaparty privledged non vet.
This new crop of what I call the privledged brats want to put down or play down military veteran opponents...simply because they " got nuttin" I hope the voters see this guy for what he is....
 
Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

Ok im going to jump on a partisan bandwagon here even though im an equal opportunity basher, because of personal observation lately.

Theres appears to be a whole new crop of Politicians, especially of the far right persuasion a younger crowd that has no military service. like walsh...thats ok..Not everyone has served or can serve. However, for this guy to try and marginalize this lady who gave her legs while hes given NOTHING by lip is unacceptable to me. She should and has every right to run on her service as he has to run as a teaparty privledged non vet.
This new crop of what I call the privledged brats want to put down or play down military veteran opponents...simply because they " got nuttin" I hope the voters see this guy for what he is....

I support Walsh but I agree that this attack on Tammy Duckworth is misguided in the extreme.
 
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Where did I claim I don't trust the actions of a vet? Stop engaging in emotional reasoning and objectification.

It's laughable that any liberal would claim anyone is insulting veterans after you spat upon vets getting off planes after the Vietnam War....

That myth was debunked decades ago.
 
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That myth was debunked decades ago.

There are many first hand accounts from veterans concerning incidents of spitting by members of the SDS. There were many revolutionaries within SDS that supported Mao, Che, and other Marxist heroes. There has been an attempt by some to try and rewrite history and claim these incidents didn't happen. These lies have largely been pushed by a guy named Jerry Lembcke, who tried to white wash Jane Fonda's behavior during the war, as well as writing such literary masterpieces such as "Recapturing Marxism: An Appraisal of Recent Trends in Sociological Theory", and "Capitalist Development and Class Capacities: Marxist Theory and Union Organization"

Amazon.com: Capitalist Development and Class Capacities: Marxist Theory and Union Organization (Contributions in Labor Studies) (9780313262098): Jerry Lembcke: Books

Amazon.com: Recapturing Marxism: An Appraisal of Recent Trends in Sociological Theory (9780275926380): Rhonda F. Levine, Jerry Lembcke: Books

His "spit debunking book" has a whole 2.5 star rating:

Amazon.com: The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam (9780814751473): Jerry Lembcke: Books

It turns out this Lembcke guy was apart of John Kerry's "Veterans Against the War" where most of these veterans it turns out never actually served or saw combat.

You can read first hand accounts of incidents by vets where they spat on and called baby killers. It's documented in the following book:

Amazon.com: Homecoming: When the Soldiers Returned from Vietnam (9780399133862): Bob Greene: Books

You don't really want me to go dig up videos of anti Iraq war protesters burning soldiers in effigy do you?

Portland Oregon Anarchists Burn Soldier Effigy - YouTube

This is nothing more than manufactured outrage. Of course you don't want to talk about the effects of your actual policies in an election year, so you have to hysterically try and make an issue out of nothing. There are many incidents beyond spitting and calling soldiers baby killers as well. The families of soldiers that were killed were anonymously called and told that their son "deserved to die".
 
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That myth was debunked decades ago.


That was NO Myth...didnt necessarily happen at an airport but nam vets were spat at by protesters on many occaisions.
 
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Joe Walsh is a typical tea party moron, disrespectful, selfish, unintelligent,loud mouth idiots like him go to Washington block everything have no new ideas, people like joe destroy democracy they pout in the corner till they get what they want ....please vote these kinds of morons out,
 
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John Kerry politicized his military service. John F. Kennedy politicized his military service. John McCain politicized his military service. This is standard operating procedure for politicians.

All the more reason why the over the top criticisms of the woman by Walsh is over the line. Even if you think the denegrating of John Kerry's purple hearts was reasonable, it's hard to suggest a woman whose clearly suffered significant injury due to her service to this country is someone whose service should be denegrated and told to be kept private.
 
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There is nothing funnier than a Republican complaining about people "politicizing" military service. Anyone remember when Republicans were lockstep in their "with us or against us" mentality? And if you were against Iraq you were against the troops and whatever vague mission they had that week?

Wow, he pointed out that politicians politicize their military service. What's next, will he show us that the sky is blue?
 
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Wow, he pointed out that politicians politicize their military service. What's next, will he show us that the sky is blue?

The issue wasn't so much his suggestion that hse politicizes her service...though the irony of a GOP candidate complaining that their competitor highlights their service is a bit funny.

The issue I think was this line:

"Now I'm running against a woman who, I mean-- my God-- that's all she talks about," Walsh told an audience in Elk Grove, Ill. "Our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it's the last thing in the world they talk about."

The statement of our "True heroes" being those who would not "talk about" their service is nothing but an out right swipe at her service. This to a woman who lost her limbs in serving the country and by all accounst performed admirably and honorably in the service. If all he said was that she was politicizing her service too much, this flap likely wouldn't have got to the level of outcry that it has. However, when he basically questioned her being a "hero" (a term routinely placed on our Vets who gave a piece of themselves for this country across the sea) and denegrated her service simply because she talks about it...THAT is what caused the uproar.

It's the difference between saying that McCain needs to stop focusing so much on his military and POW experiences...and suggesting that REAL heroes are the ones who don't talk about them being POWs.

Not to mention, much of this woman's life experience revolves around the military so it'd make sense it'd come up a bit. She spent 20 years with the Army. She then started working for the VA afterwards.
 
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That was NO Myth...didnt necessarily happen at an airport but nam vets were spat at by protesters on many occaisions.
There is only antedotal evidence and for everyone of those there are hundreds that say the opposite. There is no definitive proof or evidence that protestors spitting on vets in airports ever happened. I suspect it was because most were drafted. And too, many vets continued to wear their army issued fatiques for street wear when they got back home. Now why would they do that if they were getting spat upon?
 
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I did it better. :2razz:

That is not possible. :2razz:
 
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That was NO Myth...didnt necessarily happen at an airport but nam vets were spat at by protesters on many occaisions.

Yeah, I think you are correct about this.
 
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This Chickenhawk laid an egg.
 
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All the more reason why the over the top criticisms of the woman by Walsh is over the line. Even if you think the denegrating of John Kerry's purple hearts was reasonable, it's hard to suggest a woman whose clearly suffered significant injury due to her service to this country is someone whose service should be denegrated and told to be kept private.

I wouldn't vote for her, but I sure as hell admire her. This won't help us hold the seat.
 
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There is nothing funnier than a Republican complaining about people "politicizing" military service. Anyone remember when Republicans were lockstep in their "with us or against us" mentality? And if you were against Iraq you were against the troops and whatever vague mission they had that week?

I saw that interview with Ashley Banfield. This guy is such a dickwad. He wouldn't even allow her to ask questions, just rambled on in a loud obnoxious tone. Every time she tried to talk, he kept shouting, "Ashley... Ashley...Ashley...Ashley", screaming over her until he could start his own rambling tirade again.

A total lamebrained asshole. Anyone who votes for him should soak their hands in bleach to disinfect the stench, then pray to whatever god they worship for forgiveness.
 
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There is only antedotal evidence and for everyone of those there are hundreds that say the opposite. There is no definitive proof or evidence that protestors spitting on vets in airports ever happened. I suspect it was because most were drafted. And too, many vets continued to wear their army issued fatiques for street wear when they got back home. Now why would they do that if they were getting spat upon?

I saw it happen, bunky, more than once. I saw film of returning soldiers being flipped off and called "babykillers" in airports. I saw friends of my own who returned from 'Nam spit at, called names, and insulted simply because they had been drafted against their will and sent to a war they didn't start. One guy I knew had a beer thrown on him because someone saw the outline of his dogtags under his civilian tee-shirt when he was on leave. Another friend was deliberately tripped in the airport, and laughed at when he fell with his pack to the airport floor. It happened all the damned time to our returning vets from 'Nam.

It's no ****ing myth, and I'm sick of people who did not even exist back then pretending that it didn't happen. It DID happen, damn it.

And it was appalling.
 
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Just for the hell of it, I went back and dug up a quote of my referencing the "BetrayUs" add. Here it is:



See, this is what we call consistency. I will condemn people on my side who act like assholes too. I wish more people did that.

Good for you. But I wasn't talking about the ad. That was payed for by Soros, and what else would you expect? I was referring to then Senator Clinton when she said that a willing suspension of disbelief was needed to believe Petraeus's testimony to Congress on the success of the surge. And Harry Reid's comments at a press conference that Petraeus had made dishonest statements in the past.
 
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Worth noting that this is the same douchebag who called Obama a liar in his address to Congress....
 
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Good for you. But I wasn't talking about the ad. That was payed for by Soros, and what else would you expect? I was referring to then Senator Clinton when she said that a willing suspension of disbelief was needed to believe Petraeus's testimony to Congress on the success of the surge. And Harry Reid's comments at a press conference that Petraeus had made dishonest statements in the past.

So you are still trying to change the topic?
 
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You can hardly call one of the first women ever to serve as a combat pilot, who gave two limbs in service to her country, and has continued to serve and further work for other veterans anything other than a hero, yet he did. Further, she does talk about other issues. And lastly, most veterans, especially within the first few years of service, it is something they tend to talk alot about. I know I do. And lastly, her service to her country is a big part of what she is running on.

By the way, your trying to distract the topic by bringing up unrelated events is very telling.

I don't agree that he called her somethoing other than a hero. I think you and others are taking a minor poor choice of words and building a mountain out of a mole hill. For political points. And believe me if she was running as a conservative candidate the left would definitely call her something other than a hero. President Bush Sr, was called a coward by some on the left for ejecting during a WW2 mission and blamed for the death of his crew and Senator McCain had everything about his military service questioned during his presidential campaign. Two pilots shot down during combat and drug through the mud by some members of the left media. When the expected code for behavior is set so extremely low by those on your side of the aisle it is absurd to feign outrage about such an innocuous use of words.
 
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Rule #1: Unless said veteran had acted disgracefully, do not attack their service or their promotion of their service.
 
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I don't agree that he called her somethoing other than a hero. I think you and others are taking a minor poor choice of words and building a mountain out of a mole hill. For political points. And believe me if she was running as a conservative candidate the left would definitely call her something other than a hero. President Bush Sr, was called a coward by some on the left for ejecting during a WW2 mission and blamed for the death of his crew and Senator McCain had everything about his military service questioned during his presidential campaign. Two pilots shot down during combat and drug through the mud by some members of the left media. When the expected code for behavior is set so extremely low by those on your side of the aisle it is absurd to feign outrage about such an innocuous use of words.

I have never heard anyone question Bush Sr.'s heroism. If the R and the D were reversed in the Walsh/Duckworth race I have absolutely no doubt that you would be screaming bloody murder over Walsh's comments.
 
Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

I don't agree that he called her somethoing other than a hero. I think you and others are taking a minor poor choice of words and building a mountain out of a mole hill. For political points. And believe me if she was running as a conservative candidate the left would definitely call her something other than a hero. President Bush Sr, was called a coward by some on the left for ejecting during a WW2 mission and blamed for the death of his crew and Senator McCain had everything about his military service questioned during his presidential campaign. Two pilots shot down during combat and drug through the mud by some members of the left media. When the expected code for behavior is set so extremely low by those on your side of the aisle it is absurd to feign outrage about such an innocuous use of words.

I call Bush and McCain hero's. But then again, I am consistant and not using idiology to base attacks on service.
 
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