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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    There is no attempt to distract. And if I didn't find the debating of politics fun I wouldn't be here. "Desperate" is funny. I'll try not to lose you on this one: Gen. Clark in essence said the same thing about McCain that Walsh said about Duckworth. That her military experience, in and of itself, does not qualify her for the job. See how easy that was? It is relevant.
    And you had no issue with that? Because you seem to be having little issue with this. Did you go out of your way to characterize Clark's comment as being a poor choice of words that was used to turn a mountain into a mole hill? Or are you engaging in the exact same hypocrisy you're trying to bitch about, just reversed?

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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Sorry, Adam, but there IS a huge difference between a website that looked like it was done out of their mother's basement vs 30 seconds spots on a major television networks. Bush Sr. was not Swiftboated. Maybe a few peppered crazies had street corner megaphones, but that is it... and usually the norm. If we looked hard enough, I am sure we could find some literature on how Mother Theresa was a warmonger.
    Because comparing what's available on the internet 20 years after the last election he was in (which occurred during at time where 56k MODEM connections to the internet weren't even common) to what was available in less than a decade ago during the rise of the Web2.0 era is definitely an accurate way to measure the two.

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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Because comparing what's available on the internet 20 years after the last election he was in (which occurred during at time where 56k MODEM connections to the internet weren't even common) to what was available in less than a decade ago during the rise of the Web2.0 era is definitely an accurate way to measure the two.
    I agree, but OTOH I was alive and actively following the Bush/Clinton election and I have no recollection of this issue being discussed in the mainstream media. In contrast, one could hardly avoid hearing about the Kerry swiftboat claims.
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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you sick. I existed back then and I knew some vets and I don't recall any of them saying they were spat on or treated bad at airports. But some of them said the government spat on them when they tried to get health care for the Agent Orange they were exposed to and they didn't live to see that nice memorial in DC. Don't know if they're names are on it or not....but probably not.

    Because of that dirty little war and the draft, the anger of the anti-war protestors was understandable. It brought an end to the war.
    Just because the vets you knew were not abused by the public does not give you the right to say that such public abuse was a "myth". It wasn't. Vets I knew WERE abused, and I saw some of it with my own eyes.

    Yes, the government abused the 'Nam vets, first by drafting them to fight in a war we had no business being in, then exposing them to toxins and ignoring them when they got sick. You better believe the anger of the anti-war protestors was understandable. I was one of them, marching, carrying signs, shaking my fists. And yes, we brought an end to that war.

    As for the snide remark about those not living to see their names on the war memorial, there were 58,600 of them. I went to high school with some. You don't hold the high road here. All of us who lived through that war were affected by it, whether we fought in it or not.

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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    There is no attempt to distract. And if I didn't find the debating of politics fun I wouldn't be here. "Desperate" is funny. I'll try not to lose you on this one: Gen. Clark in essence said the same thing about McCain that Walsh said about Duckworth. That her military experience, in and of itself, does not qualify her for the job. See how easy that was? It is relevant.
    You cant see the difference ? Wesley clark is a partisan Republican turned democrat because the republican party wasnt backing him for SQUAT so he jumped ship
    Your trying to justify what walsh has done but saying a RETIRED MILITARY Gen said a Prisoner of war for 5.5 yrs who got shot down doesnt qualify mcain to be president....To a walsh who is denigrating a young female veteran who lost both her legs and does what every politician running for office has ever done...Highlight their service..the different being that walsh has no service has never served and the wuss cant compete on an even level...so he attempts to demean her service and make her disabled COMBAT VETERAN status a mute issue....jerrry hes a piece of ****....and I hope the voters see the stench that surrounds him
    Oh an to add...The democrats didnt back clark for not hing either and thats why no one knows where he is....FAIL
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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Holy irony!

    By the way, I was 10 when Vietnam ended.
    so your loogies were spiced with boogers and red Popsicle, and that makes it ok?

    Oh, what a devilish child you were !

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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Just because the vets you knew were not abused by the public does not give you the right to say that such public abuse was a "myth". It wasn't. Vets I knew WERE abused, and I saw some of it with my own eyes.
    Likewise, just because you have some antedotal evidence and saw a film doesn't give you the right to say it was a common occurance.

    Yes, the government abused the 'Nam vets, first by drafting them to fight in a war we had no business being in, then exposing them to toxins and ignoring them when they got sick. You better believe the anger of the anti-war protestors was understandable. I was one of them, marching, carrying signs, shaking my fists. And yes, we brought an end to that war.
    Well la de da, so did most young people, including myself.


    As for the snide remark about those not living to see their names on the war memorial, there were 58,600 of them. I went to high school with some. You don't hold the high road here. All of us who lived through that war were affected by it, whether we fought in it or not.
    It wasn't meant to be snide and I'm sorry you took it that way.

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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I agree, but OTOH I was alive and actively following the Bush/Clinton election and I have no recollection of this issue being discussed in the mainstream media. In contrast, one could hardly avoid hearing about the Kerry swiftboat claims.
    I don't necessarily disagree that it wasn't nearly as wide spread in the media as the swift boating thing, I was just suggesting that what can be found on the internet is hardly an accurate or reasonable way or judging it. I also think in general it's difficult talking about elections across such a time period. With the rise of prominence of the 24/7 news stations (CNN being the only one in 1992 of any note, and even then it had hardly the viewership it had now due to the prevalence of cable), the prevalence of blogs and internet news sites, cheap and wide spread cameras throughout the population with ease of distribution, and even really the strengthen of talk radio all have had a significant effect on the coverage of political events. I think there's a lot of things that occur today that likely wouldn't have gotten an ounce of the notice that they have currently and in contrast I think there are minor things in the past that, given the current media and technological environment, would've likely caught fire. Granted, that part is mostly speculation based on my opinions and views regarding the difference in eras. To me it's a lot like trying to compare the NFL stats of today to those of even the 1980's in a literal 1:1 type of fashion. However, as noted, my issue was the straight comparison regarding the internet and even television ad's. Hell, when there's 3 MAJOR 24/7 news stations, not to mention a number of less major ones, not to mention 4 "major" broadcast stations along with 2 to 4 more "minor" ones and a load of cable stations that would be massive compared to 1992 numbers....it's not quite as big of a deal getting some ad space as there was in the past.

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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wait, let me see if I understand your position here: this isn't a big deal because other people have acted like assholes too? Really?
    When there aren't so many Libbos that insist that Bush was awol, you might have a valid point.

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    Re: Rep. Joe Walsh stands by accusation Tammy Duckworth politicizes her military serv

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    When there aren't so many Libbos that insist that Bush was awol, you might have a valid point.
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