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    Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Read more here: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone - Florida Wires - MiamiHerald.com
    I get that liability issues are a very real concern for companies, but this still disgusts me. Being disgusted as I am, though, I am going to refrain from piling on the company too much and say that this is a perfect example of how desperately we NEED tort reform in this country.

    ETA: This lifeguard is a hero, IMO. And kudos to those other lifeguards who quit in protest.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    You gotta be kidding me.

    A lifeguard was fired for saving somebody's life, because there was a slight chance of some mild legal inconvenience for the company. I can't even... what?

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Ah yes, that whole private companies can do the job better schtick! Anybody else notice that the company which fired the lifeguard was being paid $334,000 a year for four lifeguards and a supervisor. How many think the life guards were being paid $50K a year?

    Tort reform would do nothing for this situation. Florida already has put in place many of the requirements that "tort reform" advocates promote.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I get that liability issues are a very real concern for companies, but this still disgusts me. Being disgusted as I am, though, I am going to refrain from piling on the company too much and say that this is a perfect example of how desperately we NEED tort reform in this country.

    ETA: This lifeguard is a hero, IMO. And kudos to those other lifeguards who quit in protest.
    Yes he is a hero radcen and your absolutely right...lawyers running around salivating to sue ham sandwichs and hamsters for ANYTHING is the only way many of the make a buck....the are the force that is a big part of driving all insurance through the roof...tort reform is needed yesterday...but every time they lobby and block it.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Ah yes, that whole private companies can do the job better schtick! Anybody else notice that the company which fired the lifeguard was being paid $334,000 a year for four lifeguards and a supervisor. How many think the life guards were being paid $50K a year?

    Tort reform would do nothing for this situation. Florida already has put in place many of the requirements that "tort reform" advocates promote.
    Salaries + payroll taxes + regulatory expenses + insurance + bennies + unemployment insurance+ workman's comp + income taxes + incoporation costs = a big chunk out of 334 g's.

    The last thing this company can afford is a million dollar lawsuit.

    The national average profit of a corporation is 20% +/-. 20% of $334,000 is $66,800, which is the percentage of the gross, not the net. This company would have to fold up their tents and declare bankruptcy, which would result in everyone losing their jobs, not just one person.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Salaries + payroll taxes + regulatory expenses + insurance + bennies + unemployment insurance+ workman's comp + income taxes + incoporation costs = a big chunk out of 334 g's.

    The last thing this company can afford is a million dollar lawsuit.
    Cheaper for the taxpayers to have the lifeguards as county employees like in Palm Beach County.

    The last thing this company can afford is for its CEO to take a pay cut.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    I hope he sues the company for wrongful dismissal.. if that is even possible in the US.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I get that liability issues are a very real concern for companies, but this still disgusts me. Being disgusted as I am, though, I am going to refrain from piling on the company too much and say that this is a perfect example of how desperately we NEED tort reform in this country.

    ETA: This lifeguard is a hero, IMO. And kudos to those other lifeguards who quit in protest.

    Before one posts about the need for tort reform, maybe one should know a bit more about the law.

    768.13 Good Samaritan Act; immunity from civil liability.—

    (2)(a) Any person, including those licensed to practice medicine, who
    gratuitously and in good faith renders emergency care or treatment either
    in direct response to emergency situations
    related to and arising out of a
    public health emergency declared pursuant to s. 381.00315, a state of emergency
    which has been declared pursuant to s. 252.36 or at the scene of an
    emergency outside of a hospital, doctor’s office, or other place having proper
    medical equipment, without objection of the injured victim or victims
    thereof, shall not be held liable for any civil damages as a result of such care
    or treatment or as a result of any act or failure to act in providing or
    arranging further medical treatment where the person acts as an ordinary
    reasonably prudent person would have acted under the same or similar
    circumstances.
    I do believe the fired lifeguard has a good lawsuit ahead, it is going to cost the company a whole lot more than any liability issues that might have arisen - which would have been paid by the company's insurance - IF they had such coverage as is normally required for businesses operating in this area.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Before one posts about the need for tort reform, maybe one should know a bit more about the law.

    I do believe the fired lifeguard has a good lawsuit ahead, it is going to cost the company a whole lot more than any liability issues that might have arisen - which would have been paid by the company's insurance - IF they had such coverage as is normally required for businesses operating in this area.
    The Good Samaritan Law protects one from civil liability. It doesn't protect one's job. Although this guy probably did the right thing, the right thing sometimes has consequences. And some of us even understand what that means. In his good faith effort to save another swimmer in a "swim-at-your-own-risk" area, he left the lifeguard-protected area of the beach unprotected. In theory, he might as well have gone to the library.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I do believe the fired lifeguard has a good lawsuit ahead, it is going to cost the company a whole lot more than any liability issues that might have arisen - which would have been paid by the company's insurance - IF they had such coverage as is normally required for businesses operating in this area.
    Why do so many people think that insurance coverage is money that falls magically from the sky with no consequences? Fact is, insurance claim payouts have a detrimental long-term effect that can raise future rates, or even cause coverage to be denied at renewal time. That history follows a business around.
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