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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There have been a couple people in here who are blaming the guy for responding. Shoot, as I read it, there was a post or two that even blamed the drowning guy for drowning.
    I dont think you blame the drowning guy for drowning...but you DO accept certain levels of responsibility when you go to a beach that is posted NO LIFEGUARD just as you do swimming in a hotel pool posted NO LIFEGUARD. And I guarantee you...GUARANTEE you...you are singing a different tune if that what if scenario involved someone drowning because the guy that was responsible for overseeing that area was off someplace else.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    And I don't discount that. Liability concerns for a company are indeed very real.
    Even without liability, a reputation of condoning responsibility taken outside the property is not good. More often than not, it results in getting in someone else's business and thus complications beyond the job site. Basically, the policy is: "look, you can do it but then you gotta find another job, so you better make sure it's worth it." That prevents screwin' around. The dude was convinced and said 'see ya'.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    only to find that someone has already saved the day.
    The article I read noted that he rendered assistance with a nurse until rescue arrived. The day wasn't saved yet.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Dude, you are seriously amusing me now. I have this vision in my mind of you sitting at your computer, spittle running down your chin, because you are so angry to the point of cyber-yelling... probably even yelling out loud as you write... because you have been unable to "one up" me.

    Enough of my amusement, though, let's examine what you wrote: Apparently, it's not even about corporate liability, it's about what YOU pay for as a taxpayer? Let them all die otherwise? Really? I can't argue "logic" like that. I won't even try to argue against this point. It's impossible. Wow. Just... wow. You're a peach.

    If it will help your blood pressure, you are can consider yourself the victor, and are free to proclaim to all your Facebook friends how you beat me in this debate.
    Nobody died, noody was sued and nobody was "rescued" by the volunteer "hero" lifeguard. Someone was fired for leaving their assigned job, nothing more and nothing less. There are REASONS for designating, and guarding public swimming beaches, and there are REASONS for designating other areas as unguarded, and for posting "swim at your own risk" signs. Those too dense to recognize the difference, are not kept on as paid lifeguards. Chill yourself out, there Skippy.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How is it possible for you...lpast...and others to miss the blatant reality of the situation? No one is saying they BLAME the guy for responding. But...he was hired to guard a section of beach. The reason they HAVE lifeguards on the beach is for the 'what if' scenario. Now...what if...after running 5 football fields outside of his area of responsibility there was a REAL drowning IN his AOR? Some 4 year old gets swept out by an undertow...whatever. What does the company say to the family with regard to liability? "Well...Im SORRY junior drowned, but our lifeguard left the area he was supposed to be keeping safe to respond to a guy half a beach away that was luckily already pulled out of the water by others. Phew...right? That could have been REALLY tragic!"
    ohh, I understand the what if's. I still do not blame the guy for what he did, I would do the same thing, and I would hope others did as well.

    As I said earlier.. even if it did mean I were to get fired I would not sit on my ass and let this go without responding.

    And it does seem that twtt is upset and is blaming the guy because the guy did try to save his life, and is blaming him for leaving the guarding of the beach 'diminished". It seems he expects the guy to do nothing because tax dollars are involved and that tax dollars were more important and he shold have sat on his ass - I say **** that the guy did what he thought was right, and I would fully expect anyone in his shoes to do the same and not sit on their ass when they might be able to help.

    What if a 4 year old drowned? that would be tragic, but as said in the article there were other lifeguards there and the beach was NOT left unprotected. If you have a chance to save a life, or think that you are needed to save a life you are to ignore it based on what if's?? You respond to what is on your plate at the time.

    I understand the liability issue for the company, but I also understand the humanity issue for the individual, and he determined it outweighed the rules. I agree. I also agree that the company was int heir right for firing him, as I alluded to in previous posts. He did what he had to do, they did what they had to do. Its an unfortunate situation, but it all worked out for the best.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nobody died, and nobody was "rescued" by the volunteer "hero" lifeguard. Someone was fired for leaving their assigned job, nothing more and nothing less. There are REASONS for designating, and guarding public swimming beaches, and REASONS for designating other areas as unguarded and posting "swim at your own risk" signs. Those too dense to recognize the difference, are not kept on as paid lifeguards. Chill yourself out, there Skippy.
    Alright Skippy, so do you or do you not expect people to ignore someone in need of help because it is outside their designated area? Someone ran up to the guy and said "someone is drowning" should he have sat on his ass and not tried to help when he thought it was needed? the fact that it all turned out for the best is irrelevant here, he had no way of knowing this at the time.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Even without liability, a reputation of condoning responsibility taken outside the property is not good. More often than not, it results in getting in someone else's business and thus complications beyond the job site. Basically, the policy is: "look, you can do it but then you gotta find another job, so you better make sure it's worth it." That prevents screwin' around. The dude was convinced and said 'see ya'.
    The article I read noted that he rendered assistance with a nurse until rescue arrived. The day wasn't saved yet.
    Perhaps...and perhaps he had gotten there in time and ACTUALLY saved the guy. It doesnt change the reality of what he was hired to do, by who, and consequences. And again...I dont BLAME the guy...I would say MOST people would respond in a similar manner. Like a lot of things...it could have been handled better.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    ohh, I understand the what if's. I still do not blame the guy for what he did, I would do the same thing, and I would hope others did as well.

    As I said earlier.. even if it did mean I were to get fired I would not sit on my ass and let this go without responding.

    And it does seem that twtt is upset and is blaming the guy because the guy did try to save his life, and is blaming him for leaving the guarding of the beach 'diminished". It seems he expects the guy to do nothing because tax dollars are involved and that tax dollars were more important and he shold have sat on his ass - I say **** that the guy did what he thought was right, and I would fully expect anyone in his shoes to do the same and not sit on their ass when they might be able to help.

    What if a 4 year old drowned? that would be tragic, but as said in the article there were other lifeguards there and the beach was NOT left unprotected. If you have a chance to save a life, or think that you are needed to save a life you are to ignore it based on what if's?? You respond to what is on your plate at the time.

    I understand the liability issue for the company, but I also understand the humanity issue for the individual, and he determined it outweighed the rules. I agree. I also agree that the company was int heir right for firing him, as I alluded to in previous posts. He did what he had to do, they did what they had to do. Its an unfortunate situation, but it all worked out for the best.
    So everyone is in agreement that the guy did what MOST would do, that the company was within its rights, and it could have been handled better. At the end of the day...that makes for a lousy news story...

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    What could have been handled better?

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No doubt...and thats not the point. Perhaps your problem is you are so overwhelmed with FEEELING that you simply miss the logic and reason. I dont see too many people unsympathetic to his plight.
    Well Vance all I can say is that my feeling and gut has served me well over many years and got me through some really rough spots...and Im still here....Ill stick with my gut...

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Alright Skippy, so do you or do you not expect people to ignore someone in need of help because it is outside their designated area? Someone ran up to the guy and said "someone is drowning" should he have sat on his ass and not tried to help when he thought it was needed? the fact that it all turned out for the best is irrelevant here, he had no way of knowing this at the time.
    Yes, that very situation is covered in their training, as it is for military, bank and security guards. As "mean" as it may sound, they are expected to stay on post and to do their job. If they do not, as he was told IN ADVANCE, they will be terminated for cause. The end.
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