Page 6 of 9 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 85

Thread: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

  1. #51
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,674

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Most city/county retirement plans are 401(k)s NOT pensions, for the most part that is an old saw drug out to promote 'outsourcing'.

    Most public sector unions are quite weak compared to firefighter/police ones. Lawton, the biggest town to me, has a union but also has had 401(k) retirement plans for years.

    As I mentioned my wife makes 50% more than a regular employee when she signs on as a contractor. Our insurance costs us $2.50 an hour.

    Most reasons for outsourcing are excuses to feed taxpayer money to for profits businesses, so we taxpayers pay more for less.
    No...its not...but it does prove how little you understand about business. Major corporations, government entitities, hospitals, etc regularly contract out employment and service. It is more efficient, requires less HR presence, requires the contracted businesses to maintain training costs, licensing, etc.

  2. #52
    don't panic
    marduc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    10-22-17 @ 04:10 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,301

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He didn't see a person drowning. In fact, by the time he arrived on scene, the person had been pulled from the water. In the meantime, a 4-year-old girl drowned directly in front of the tower he was supposed to be sitting at. Get it?
    He heard there was a person drowning and needed help. Did a 4 year old drown here? No, and it was mentioned in the article that there were other lifeguards watching the area. So he is supposed to ignore the real and pressing issue of someone needing help just in case there is a chance that another person might drown, and not try to save a life in imminent danger?

    edit.. from the linked article in the OP:

    Other lifeguards watched Lopez's area during the rescue and were on the phone with 911 operators, the company said.

    "The beach remained protected at all times," Ellis said.
    Last edited by marduc; 07-05-12 at 12:49 PM.
    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
    Drugs are bad, prohibition is worse

  3. #53
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,674

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Case in point. People are constantly looking for a reason to sue.
    Yeah...precisely that. I can only hope he was intentionally being ironic and not tragically moronic.

  4. #54
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Salaries + payroll taxes + regulatory expenses + insurance + bennies + unemployment insurance+ workman's comp + income taxes + incoporation costs = a big chunk out of 334 g's.

    The last thing this company can afford is a million dollar lawsuit.

    The national average profit of a corporation is 20% +/-. 20% of $334,000 is $66,800, which is the percentage of the gross, not the net. This company would have to fold up their tents and declare bankruptcy, which would result in everyone losing their jobs, not just one person.

    your right and you just painted the perfect portrait of why lawyers need to be thoroughly spanked and stopped from continuing the rapes they perpetrate

  5. #55
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    08-09-13 @ 08:14 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    11,600

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yeah...precisely that. I can only hope he was intentionally being ironic and not tragically moronic.
    One of my new docs was a BC ob/gyn.. He delivered a drop in at end stage labor. She'd had no prenatal care.. and had four babies under 6 at home.

    She proceeded to bleed out and he transfused her against the wishes of her husband.

    Within 20 minutes a lawyer in Atlanta called re: a civil suit for violating her husband's religious beliefs.. Jehovah's Witness.

    My CEO told them to pound sand.

    You cannot make a young doctor party to a killing.. nor can you tell a lifeguard he has no right to rescue someone in trouble.

  6. #56
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,674

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    One of my new docs was a BC ob/gyn.. He delivered a drop in at end stage labor. She'd had no prenatal care.. and had four babies under 6 at home.

    She proceeded to bleed out and he transfused her against the wishes of her husband.

    Within 20 minutes a lawyer in Atlanta called re: a civil suit for violating her husband's religious beliefs.. Jehovah's Witness.

    My CEO told them to pound sand.

    You cannot make a young doctor party to a killing.. nor can you tell a lifeguard he has no right to rescue someone in trouble.
    You cant tell them they cant do it...free will and all. You CAN describe rules and parameters and if your employees break those rules enforce those rules. I GUARANTEE it...if someone had drowned while this guy was running down the beach in the area he was SUPPOSED to be watching he would have been sued as well. Lawsuits...its always the first response to everything.

    I am empathetic to the guy. I respect his choice. I wouldnt have fired him. I understand both sides. Its not a 'lawsuit' issue, but as was pointed out...whats the FIRST thing someone does here...the guy should...what? Oh yeah...sue.

    Classic.

  7. #57
    Phonetic Mnemonic ©
    radcen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Look to your right... I'm that guy.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:52 PM
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    33,407

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Another scenario to consider here. What if while this guy went to save someone outside his zone, someone had drown in his zone? What if that were your child that drown in his zone while he was out saving this guy who went to a spot marked to swim at his own risk? I am not saying the guy did the wrong thing helping someone, but because of the sue happy culture we live in I can't blame the company for protecting themselves. The reality is if someone else had fallen victim while he was out doing the right thing, the injured party (or their family) wouldn't have cared that he was busy saving a life, they would only care that he should have been saving theirs. That is the culture we live in.
    There could have also been a scenario that he was recusing somebody who was in his area and somebody else drowned elsewhere in his designated area. We can play "What if... ?" all day. What if there were three lifeguards on duty in his designated area and four people were drowning at the same time?


    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He didn't see a person drowning. In fact, by the time he arrived on scene, the person had been pulled from the water. In the meantime, a 4-year-old girl drowned directly in front of the tower he was supposed to be sitting at. Get it?
    No, because that did NOT happen. It could have, but it didn't. Plus, as has been noted and confirmed, that there were other lifeguards on duty as well, so his beach was not left unguarded.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

  8. #58
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,579

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    If I saw a person drowning, I don't give a **** what I am paid to do. I would not put my job or its "directives" above another person's life, nor would I expect anyone else to.
    But, of course, that was NOT the case. The person "helped" was ALREADY on the CLEARLY MARKED AS UNGUARDED beach being assisted by others, and paramedics were already on their way. When this "hero" arrived, after running about 1500 feet, he did exactly WHAT?. In the mean time, the guarding of the INTENDED public beach was diminished, by the voluntary absense of one of the assigned and PAID personnel.
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 07-05-12 at 01:13 PM.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  9. #59
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,143

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But, of course, that was NOT the case. The person "helped" was ALREADY on the CLEARLY MARKED AS UNGUARDED beach being assisted by others, and paramedics were already on their way. When this "hero" arrived, after running about 1500 feet, he did exactly WHAT?. In the mean time, the guarding of the INTENDED public beach was diminished, by the voluntary absense of one of the assigned and PAID personnel.

    if the lifeguard's assistance was not actually needed then why were his services summoned?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  10. #60
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    The lifeguard did what he was trained to do....its just like the COP standing on the border of his town and the next town and sees a crime in progress against a person that can cause harm...HE STOPS IT and his town covers him legally. Same with EMTs and fire they cross make believe lines all the time to save people.

    This is absurd really...if your ass is up out of the water and your head was under and you needed a lifeguard to pull your head out of your ass YOU WOULD ALL BE HAILING THIS GUY A HERO and not defending anything else..

Page 6 of 9 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •