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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont think you can compare the two events. Life saving or even care giving always trumps 'customer service'. Id be willing to bet MOST people would have behaved in the same manner as did the lifeguard that was fired. If the company was more capably ran they could have used that as one of them there 'teachable moments' (teaching moments). They even could have approached the city with their concerns about expanding service or involved the media with their concern. It was handled wrong (unless there is more going on than what we are being told-which is frequently the case).
    It's not a perfect analogy, but the similarities are intriguing, and close enough that I think it demonstrates that "rules are rules" do NOT always apply. This is more of a case-by-case scenario. In terms of liability, I'm not so sure that the dry cleaners would be off-the-hook liability-wise if the employee rendered aid outside the front door. It could be argued that he didn't abandon his job and quit (though I'm sure it could be argued that way as well), he just reacted to a close-by human situation.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Most city/county retirement plans are 401(k)s NOT pensions, for the most part that is an old saw drug out to promote 'outsourcing'.

    Most public sector unions are quite weak compared to firefighter/police ones. Lawton, the biggest town to me, has a union but also has had 401(k) retirement plans for years.

    As I mentioned my wife makes 50% more than a regular employee when she signs on as a contractor. Our insurance costs us $2.50 an hour.

    Most reasons for outsourcing are excuses to feed taxpayer money to for profits businesses, so we taxpayers pay more for less.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    'Customer service' was life saving (securing a beach without risk). That's different context. Of course anyone would do it, presuming they're capable. That's not the point. The point is, the company cannot have a history of condoning outside responsibility.
    And I don't discount that. Liability concerns for a company are indeed very real. That's why I am focusing more on tort reform and our legal environment, so that maybe individuals can help in extraordinary situations without having unnecessary fall-out over liability concerns. "Good citizen" laws (or, whatever they're called) should apply in cases like this, and should shield the company as well.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Most city/county retirement plans are 401(k)s NOT pensions, for the most part that is an old saw drug out to promote 'outsourcing'.

    Most public sector unions are quite weak compared to firefighter/police ones. Lawton, the biggest town to me, has a union but also has had 401(k) retirement plans for years.

    As I mentioned my wife makes 50% more than a regular employee when she signs on as a contractor. Our insurance costs us $2.50 an hour.

    Most reasons for outsourcing are excuses to feed taxpayer money to for profits businesses, so we taxpayers pay more for less.
    Is she a truly independent contractor, where she pays her own taxes, gets a 1099 instead of a W-2, and such?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I hope he sues the company for wrongful dismissal.. if that is even possible in the US.
    Florida is what we call an "at will employment" state. What this boils down to is that by law, unless otherwise stipulated in an employment contract, an employer (or employee) can terminate employment at any time.

    So in this state, no not possible.

    With all the publicity happening for this, the kid is much better off for losing his job now anyhow, he will not be lacking for job offers I am sure (or donations to help with tuition). Plus he will also have a clean conscience for doing what he thought was the right thing - in that situation it is a good call to say **** the policy - even if he was late getting to the scene and did not actually rescue the man himself.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Another scenario to consider here. What if while this guy went to save someone outside his zone, someone had drown in his zone? What if that were your child that drown in his zone while he was out saving this guy who went to a spot marked to swim at his own risk? I am not saying the guy did the wrong thing helping someone, but because of the sue happy culture we live in I can't blame the company for protecting themselves. The reality is if someone else had fallen victim while he was out doing the right thing, the injured party (or their family) wouldn't have cared that he was busy saving a life, they would only care that he should have been saving theirs. That is the culture we live in.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    And I don't discount that. Liability concerns for a company are indeed very real. That's why I am focusing more on tort reform and our legal environment, so that maybe individuals can help in extraordinary situations without having unnecessary fall-out over liability concerns. "Good citizen" laws (or, whatever they're called) should apply in cases like this, and should shield the company as well.
    That makes NO sense. Consider what we have HERE in THIS CASE. Two beaches, one guraded (at taxpayer expense) and one not guarded (and clearly posted as such). The PAID life guard LEFT his assigned post, at the supposed to be GUARDED beach, to "assist" in guarding the the clealy marked UNGUARDED beach. WHY was the distinction made in the first place? If I pay taxes for my "public" services, then I expect them to be used AS DIRECTED, thus they should remain guarding the assigned beach, AS THEY ARE PAID TO DO, and not to VOLUNTEER my (tax supported) services for the UNGUARDED beach instead.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I hope he sues the company for wrongful dismissal.. if that is even possible in the US.
    Case in point. People are constantly looking for a reason to sue.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That makes NO sense. Consider what we have HERE in THIS CASE. Two beaches, one guraded (at taxpayer expense) and one not guarded (and clearly posted as such). The PAID life guard LEFT his assigned post, at the supposed to be GUARDED beach, to "assist" in guarding the the clealy marked UNGUARDED beach. WHY was the distinction made in the first place? If I pay taxes for my "public" services, then I expect them to be used AS DIRECTED, thus they should remain guarding the assigned beach, AS THEY ARE PAID TO DO, and not to VOLUNTEER my (tax supported) services for the UNGUARDED beach instead.
    If I saw a person drowning, I don't give a **** what I am paid to do. I would not put my job or its "directives" above another person's life, nor would I expect anyone else to.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    If I saw a person drowning, I don't give a **** what I am paid to do. I would not put my job or its "directives" above another person's life, nor would I expect anyone else to.
    He didn't see a person drowning. In fact, by the time he arrived on scene, the person had been pulled from the water. In the meantime, a 4-year-old girl drowned directly in front of the tower he was supposed to be sitting at. Get it?
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