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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The Good Samaritan Law protects one from civil liability. It doesn't protect one's job. Although this guy probably did the right thing, the right thing sometimes has consequences. And some of us even understand what that means. In his good faith effort to save another swimmer in a "swim-at-your-own-risk" area, he left the lifeguard-protected area of the beach unprotected. In theory, he might as well have gone to the library.
    According to a tv news report I saw, there were three other lifeguards on duty at the time as well, so he didn't actually leave his area unprotected.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Who could ask a lifeguard NOT to rescue a person in trouble?

    Can an employer dictate that you must stand by and watch a man drown when you have the skill and training to save him?

    This is all about pencil pushers and "policy makers".. who cannot think on their feet..

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Why do so many people think that insurance coverage is money that falls magically from the sky with no consequences? Fact is, insurance claim payouts have a detrimental long-term effect that can raise future rates, or even cause coverage to be denied at renewal time. That history follows a business around.

    Then why have insurance? If you require payment for a claim filed but that eventually hurts your business more than the compensation paid out - what's the point of having insurance. You seem to be arguing that it would be better for a company or person found liable for injury to another to just pay for the injury instead of paying insurance premiums which would/could cause the company to go belly-up "eventually".

    History tells us that in the good ol' days, a company found liable for injury would often just declare itself bankrupt and the owners would then start another company doing the same business. I actually worked for a guy who did that with several companies both before I worked for him and after I left his employ. Not an ethical person but he always made money for himself. Four companies where he was the CEO went bankrupt but his personal bank account increased every time.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Salaries + payroll taxes + regulatory expenses + insurance + bennies + unemployment insurance+ workman's comp + income taxes + incoporation costs = a big chunk out of 334 g's.

    The last thing this company can afford is a million dollar lawsuit.

    The national average profit of a corporation is 20% +/-. 20% of $334,000 is $66,800, which is the percentage of the gross, not the net. This company would have to fold up their tents and declare bankruptcy, which would result in everyone losing their jobs, not just one person.
    The company ALSO provides life guards at all of the city's pools, which probably requires a few paid employees as well. Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental. Contracts put up for competitive bid do save money, that is why the city does that, rather than pay ever increasing salary and benefit packages for public employees.

    While firing the employee may have been "extreme" in your view (mine as well, BTW, a week's suspension would have sufficed), the JOB is to guard YOUR beach, not ALL beaches. Suppose it was a bank guard, or school security position, that was abandoned, would it be OK to leave that post for "emergencies" 1/4 mile away, leaving your intended duty area exposed to threat? That leaves your intended duties, that which you are PAID to do, undone, exposing those MANY to risk to "save" someone already receiving assistance. The situtation was NOT that a "rescue" was required, as by the time he arrived to "help" the vicitim, he was already safely on the beach, being assisted by others and paramedics were on the way. He is geting more money (and fame) now doing the TV talk show/news circuit that he ever would have made at his $8.25/hour job.

    BTW, your "average corporate profit" figures are WAY off, unless your "average corporation" is Apple. See link: Debunking S&P 500 Profit Margin Anxiety - Seeking Alpha
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    He is geting more money (and fame) now doing the TV talk show/news circuit that he ever would have made at his $8.25/hour job.
    Are you really trying to say the man ran down the beach to help in a rescue simply because he 'knew' he would make more money by getting fired?


    Here in South Florida, we have some nice court records concerning various county officials going to jail because of the payoffs they received for ensuring some of those "money-saving" contracts were signed.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Then why have insurance? If you require payment for a claim filed but that eventually hurts your business more than the compensation paid out - what's the point of having insurance. You seem to be arguing that it would be better for a company or person found liable for injury to another to just pay for the injury instead of paying insurance premiums which would/could cause the company to go belly-up "eventually".
    Nope. Just arguing that insurance payouts have their own consequences as well, and aren't magic manna from heaven farted from unicorns.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The company ALSO provides life guards at all of the city's pools, which probably requires a few paid employees as well. Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental. Contracts put up for competitive bid do save money, that is why the city does that, rather than pay ever increasing salary and benefit packages for public employees.
    Usually the intent. Not always the result.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Can an employer dictate that you must stand by and watch a man drown when you have the skill and training to save him?
    Obviously not; yet, a company can limit their liability and responsibility. I don't get why so many people expect a private company to provide public service without compensation or right to said limitation.
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Usually the intent. Not always the result.
    Show me ANY private, non-union, employee retirement at age 50, with 30 years service, at 50% of pay with full medical benefits. Crickets...
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    Re: Fla. lifeguard fired for rescue outside beach zone

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Who could ask a lifeguard NOT to rescue a person in trouble?

    Can an employer dictate that you must stand by and watch a man drown when you have the skill and training to save him?

    This is all about pencil pushers and "policy makers".. who cannot think on their feet..
    The "drowning" man was on the beach and being assisted by others, with paramedics already on the way, by the time the "hero" arrived to "help". An employer CAN dictate that you stay on YOUR beach while being paid to do so, or find another job.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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