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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Irrelevant. Based on empirical evidence and studies, poor black men get higher and tougher sentences than anyone else...a recent study states that poor black men get 60% longer sentences than poor white men in the federal system, and you can not tell me that it is better on state level.. especially in the south.
    Actually it is relevent for the simple fact that if his accomplices are black also then this would obviously put all of this in the 40% of your statistics. Not the 60%. If you can prove his accomplices were white then I will 100% agree that this sentence was more than likely racially motivated. Until then I have my doubts.
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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually it is relevent for the simple fact that if his accomplices are black also then this would obviously put all of this in the 40% of your statistics. Not the 60%. If you can prove his accomplices were white then I will 100% agree that this sentence was more than likely racially motivated. Until then I have my doubts.
    And again my point stands as the 60% is on average.. which means some get less some get much more.. and in this case... That his accomplices were black does not mean they were not given harsher sentences despite "giving up" their compatriot relative to what a white defendant would have gotten.

    However as I stated, it is an average, and considering that this guy got far above the average by several 100%, then the over all sentence is still in the "ball park" average I bet.

    Point is.. he got a harsher sentence because he was black and poor.. pure and simple..
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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    While I agree the sentence is too long, I object to the references to it being a first offence. He was convicted on offences relating to seven separate incidents so by definition, only one of those (if that) can be a first offence.

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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    While I agree the sentence is too long, I object to the references to it being a first offence. He was convicted on offences relating to seven separate incidents so by definition, only one of those (if that) can be a first offence.
    Which is idiotic in it self.... it is almost as if the prosecutor and judge had shares in the prison system by doing it this way...
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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Ive lived in florida going on 8 yrs. Ive never seen such wide discrepancies in sentencing...is it racial, Im sure some is...but ive seen lots of white guys get hammered also. Heres what I "THINK" contributes to the disparity.

    Judges are elected here in fla...they have to keep their district electorate happy...so if their district is bloodthirsty I believe the judge will be more inclined to be bloodthirsty to get re elected. I think the disparities differ county to county. I used to want elected judges to get the appointed for life slugs out...then I came here and saw the downside of electing them...I guess you could say at least a majority elects the elected slugs as opposed to one guy appt a slug...cant win can we

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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ive lived in florida going on 8 yrs. Ive never seen such wide discrepancies in sentencing...is it racial, Im sure some is...but ive seen lots of white guys get hammered also. Heres what I "THINK" contributes to the disparity.

    Judges are elected here in fla...they have to keep their district electorate happy...so if their district is bloodthirsty I believe the judge will be more inclined to be bloodthirsty to get re elected. I think the disparities differ county to county. I used to want elected judges to get the appointed for life slugs out...then I came here and saw the downside of electing them...I guess you could say at least a majority elects the elected slugs as opposed to one guy appt a slug...cant win can we
    Yep that is another major problem.. the whole system turns into a re-election campaign system instead of a legal system.. and it is not just judges.. prosecutors need to be elected as well... so the pick and choose cases for political gain. Best time to do a crime.. right after an election!
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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yep that is another major problem.. the whole system turns into a re-election campaign system instead of a legal system.. and it is not just judges.. prosecutors need to be elected as well... so the pick and choose cases for political gain. Best time to do a crime.. right after an election!
    They tell me in the VFW theres an elected judge in my county...that everyone knows if he walks in court with a smile in a good mood, many catch a break, if he comes in gruff, sarcastic and huffy everyone is screwed

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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL what on earth is fair with 66 years for this crime? He got a raw deal because he is black and poor.. pure and simple. Had this been a white guy with a bit of money, he would have gotten under 10 years and would be out in 5.
    MAYBE that "bad deal" was because he was claiming to be DISABLED and getting SSI. If one is able to get to and rob several places, perhaps they are not quite as "disabled" as they advertised themsleves to be. Is a 10 year sentence too harsh for EACH armed robbery? Do you really think that his accomplices were rich and white? As I have expained earlier, the other guys took plea deals and blamed the biggest moron in their "gang", probably hoping that the judge would take pity on him since he was "disabled". I note NO complaint on the VERY LENIENT sentences given to his "helpers" that got "deals", that is the REAL story here. In your opinion, people with 7 armed robbery convictions should get less than TWO years for each conviction?
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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    MAYBE that "bad deal" was because he was claiming to be DISABLED and getting SSI. If one is able to get to and rob several places, perhaps they are not quite as "disabled" as they advertised themsleves to be.
    Totally irrelevant to the case.

    Is a 10 year sentence too harsh for EACH armed robbery?
    He got triple that...

    Do you really think that his accomplices were rich and white?
    Where did I state that? I said that because he was black, then he was more likely to get harsher sentences than a similar white accused.. and that is backed up by empirical evidence and studies.. you cant run from that fact. Had this guy been white, and had the money for a lawyer, then you betcha he would have gotten a much smaller sentence... hell if he had been rich, he might even have gotten off with community service.

    As I have expained earlier, the other guys took plea deals and blamed the biggest moron in their "gang", probably hoping that the judge would take pity on him since he was "disabled".
    Again irrelevant. If your whole case is based on the confessions of criminals based on "deals" then you have a problem. The DA should never have made a deal and should have charged the whole gang and gotten the same sentence.

    I note NO complaint on the VERY LENIENT sentences given to his "helpers" that got "deals", that is the REAL story here.
    No it is not. It is a problem yes, as I stated above, but the story here is a totally disproportional punishment for the crime committed, especially considering he was in a group and the group got off much much much lighter.

    Should he have been put in jail for a decade or two? Yes, as should the rest of the bunch.. but come on.. 150+ years? That is insane on so many levels...you give a murder less!
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    re: Insight: Florida man sees "cruel" face of U.S. justice [W:53]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The story explains this moron's REAL problem, 7 federal armed robbery convictions, and he went to trial, instead of taking a plea deal.
    The punishment does not fit the crime, pure and simple. This is one way in which plea bargains are abused by our justice system...people should receive a FAIR sentence if they don't comply, and a LESSER sentence if they do. Instead, the punishments are raised so high that people don't have any choice but to plead guilty or else face a ridiculous sentence like this.

    BAD move, as it turned out, but for 7 armed robberies, and no chance that this moron would ever be a productive member of society,
    You're jumping to conclusions. What makes you think he would never be a productive member of society? He's 18 years old, and he committed the type of crime that 18-year-olds commit. How often do you hear about 45-year-olds committing armed robbery? Very seldom. These kind of crimes are things that young people do, and it's ridiculous to say that he could never be a productive member of society when he was a little bit older.

    Perhaps cutting his time back to 7, 10 year consecutive sentences would be better, parole eligable after 66 years, would be "fair".
    And if this guy was white and wealthy and the son of some influential political figure, you'd say exactly the same thing, right?
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