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Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

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I wonder why a Republican governor would veto such bills when "voter fraud" is such a major part of the Republican position. I realise he stated his reasoning in the linked article but still ...

Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

Michigan governor Rick Snyder said he won't sign a bill drawn up by GOP lawmakers which would have required a photo I.D. for first-time registration, or to get an absentee ballot.

Snyder also rejected related GOP-backed measures that would have required voters to check a box affirming their citizenship, and that would have made it harder for voter registration groups to operate in the state. A similar law targeting voter registration groups in Florida is currently the subject of a lawsuit, and has been blocked by a judge for now.

more at MLive.com
 
Leave it to a lib-tard news site to call requiring an ID to vote "voter suppression".
 
Leave it to a lib-tard news site to call requiring an ID to vote "voter suppression".

It is ridiculous especially when you consider what other countries require. In Sunday's election Mexicans were required to show their national photo ID card which was compared to a registry which also contained their photo.
Mexico's elections are more ethical than the USA's and that's sad.
Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture
 
It is ridiculous especially when you consider what other countries require. In Sunday's election Mexicans were required to show their national photo ID card which was compared to a registry which also contained their photo.
Mexico's elections are more ethical than the USA's and that's sad.
Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture

Oh. Now we care about what other countries require. Wonder where that spirit was on health care reform.

Nobody wants election reform more than me, but how about a policy that actively improves a citizen's ability to make informed choices rather than passively aggressively marginalizing demographics that detract from a specific party's political success?
 
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Because cases of voter fraud are about .0001%..
 
Oh. Now we care about what other countries require. Wonder where that spirit was on health care reform.

Nobody wants election reform more than me, but how about a policy that actively improves a citizen's ability to make informed choices rather than passively aggressively marginalizing demographics that detract from a specific party's political success?

The left whined for years that the US was behind Europe in socialized health care. But most European countries require ID to vote. Are they all racist? Canada, South Africa, India all require ID. Why is it only racist in the USA?
 
Because cases of voter fraud are about .0001%..

How do you know? If there are no checks in place, if ID is not enforced, how can anyone claim that it doesn't occur? If the names of dead people are left on the rolls and fraudulent people vote in their place who would know if their identity does not have to be proven?
 
The left whined for years that the US was behind Europe in socialized health care. But most European countries require ID to vote. Are they all racist? Canada, South Africa, India all require ID. Why is it only racist in the USA?

It is not racist in the U.S., that is simply the cover story. The SAME ID is NOW required to cash checks & lottery tickets, buy alcohol, tobacco, guns, ammo and prescription drugs, get hunting & fishing licenses and to get many public assistance benefits. The REAL issue is that with required presentation of a valid, state issued, photo ID, that confirms EACH voter's name/address combination, that they may then vote only once, and only as themselves, in a single electon. Without that, they may vote as ANY valid name/address combination matching a registered voter, that they CLAIM to be. It is the inability to manufacture votes, rather than any real "access" issues, that makes the left VERY reluctant to change the system that they know how to (ab)use so well. ;-)
 
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How do you know? If there are no checks in place, if ID is not enforced, how can anyone claim that it doesn't occur? If the names of dead people are left on the rolls and fraudulent people vote in their place who would know if their identity does not have to be proven?

http://brennan.3cdn.net/c176576c0065a7eb84_gxm6ib0hl.pdf
Voter ID Laws Study: Voter Fraud Even Rarer Than The Odds of Winning Mega Millions
Voter Fraud Claims Are Smoke Without Fire | Debate Club | US News Opinion
Allegations of Voter Fraud | Brennan Center for Justice
Five myths about voter fraud - The Washington Post
 
Because cases of voter fraud are about .0001%..

No, it is DISCOVERED at that rate. If you have no way to KNOW who actually voted as Mr. John Smith, then you can't prove fraud. That is like saying shoplifting is very rare, it is just sloppy inventory work, that makes it appear to be much higher. LOL
 
No, it is DISCOVERED at that rate. If you have no way to KNOW who actually voted as Mr. John Smith, then you can't prove fraud. That is like saying shoplifting is very rare, it is just sloppy inventory work, that makes it appear to be much higher. LOL

They have controls for things like that in statistics. You'd be impressed to know how far that **** is over your head. Hypothesis testing, while complicated, is effective.
 
Photo IDs. Some people don't have them.

Then make THAT the emphasis of the get out the vote campaigns, if they can get to the polls then they can get to the ID place as well. Voting is about once every two years, it can't possibly be a problem to get an ID renewed every 6 years. Get real!
 
No, it is DISCOVERED at that rate. If you have no way to KNOW who actually voted as Mr. John Smith, then you can't prove fraud. That is like saying shoplifting is very rare, it is just sloppy inventory work, that makes it appear to be much higher. LOL

"The report finds that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless—and that of the few allegations remaining, most reveal election irregularities and other forms of election misconduct, rather than fraud by individual voters" http://brennan.3cdn.net/c176576c0065a7eb84_gxm6ib0hl.pdf

If its such a problem then why only so few cases come to the attention of investigators? If its actually happening at a huge rate then where are the prosecutions? Its simple. Its simply not happening very often AT ALL.
 
They have controls for things like that in statistics. You'd be impressed to know how far that **** is over your head. Hypothesis testing, while complicated, is effective.

Nonsense. If I know the name/address combinations of 6 registered voters, then I can vote 6 times, by simply saying that is who I am, each time. You know the old saying, vote early and vote often. ;-)
 
Nonsense. If I know the name/address combinations of 6 registered voters, then I can vote 6 times, by simply saying that is who I am, each time. You know the old saying, vote early and vote often. ;-)

So wait, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that this study on voter fraud had no controls in place to determine the amount of people who use other's identities? Please, cite this proof.
 
"The report finds that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless—and that of the few allegations remaining, most reveal election irregularities and other forms of election misconduct, rather than fraud by individual voters" http://brennan.3cdn.net/c176576c0065a7eb84_gxm6ib0hl.pdf

If its such a problem then why only so few cases come to the attention of investigators? If its actually happening at a huge rate then where are the prosecutions? Its simple. Its simply not happening very often AT ALL.

ONCE is too much, and that same valid, state issued, photo ID is needed for MANY other public and private purposes. The cases of "hardship" are rare as well, with all of the money spent fighting the voter ID laws the IDs could be made FREE.
 
ONCE is too much, and that same valid, state issued, photo ID is needed for MANY other public and private purposes. The cases of "hardship" are rare as well, with all of the money spent fighting the voter ID laws the IDs could be made FREE.
The amount of "fraud" that goes on elections is no where close enough to decide elections and many of them accusations of fraud turn out to be bs. And how much could these ID laws cost? Estimated around $828 million. Sounds like a bunch of wasteful tax payer money.
 
The amount of "fraud" that goes on elections is no where close enough to decide elections and many of them accusations of fraud turn out to be bs. And how much could these ID laws cost? Estimated around $828 million. Sounds like a bunch of wasteful tax payer money.

If Mexico can afford it so can the US.
 
If Mexico can afford it so can the US.

Oh so now we think accepting countries ideas are ok? Interesting...

There is nowhere near enough fraud to decide elections in this country. Its a complete waste of money with the amount of fraud that occurs. Its irrelevant to elections. Its so small.
 
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If Mexico can afford it so can the US.

Yes. Let's be more like Mexico. Especially seeing how they are politically exercising their "free-speech" also known as money in their elections that I'm sure the Heritage Foundation would just lurv more than they lurved the Citizens United ruling.


Accusations grow of vote-buying in Mexico election

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Thousands of people rushed to stores Tuesday to redeem pre-paid gift cards they said were given to them previously by the party that won Mexico's presidency, inflaming accusations that the weekend election was marred by widespread vote-buying.​


About the only thing I'd like to adopt from Mexico's politics is that their president cannot run for office more than once for a single 6 year term.
 
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Lets be completly honest here, the reason the Dems dont want voter ID is that they just wouldnt win the election if they couldnt cheat by getting illegals to vote. There ideas are for the most part not poplular with the masses so they have to lie.

We witness this on a daily basis.

Liberalism is based in either out right lies or utopian wet dreams, pick your poison they both fail in the end.
 
Photo IDs. Some people don't have them.

A photo ID is not hard to obtain and cheap to obtain. IDs in Michigan are ten dollars.If you are legally blind or over the age of 65 then IDs are free. Considering the fact you need a ID for cashing a check, applying for benefits, applying for a job and many other things there is absolutely no reason to not have a state issued photo ID or driver's license.
 
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Oh so now we think accepting countries ideas are ok? Interesting...

There is nowhere near enough fraud to decide elections in this country. Its a complete waste of money with the amount of fraud that occurs. Its irrelevant to elections. Its so small.
If the fraud wasnt enough to make a difference "your" El presidentay wouldnt be trying to make illegals...legal. He knows damn well this could sway the election for him or he wouldnt have gave us serfs his presidential edict usurping the constitution and dictating to the people that some illegals would now be legal. Since he is obviosly lying it is not hard to figure out why his idealogical extremly hard left base like yourself would follow the piper right off the cliff and lie the whole time about it as if you really told the truth very few would follow this logic or should I say lack of it.
 
Lets be completly honest here, the reason the Dems dont want voter ID is that they just wouldnt win the election if they couldnt cheat by getting illegals to vote. There ideas are for the most part not poplular with the masses so they have to lie.

We witness this on a daily basis.

Liberalism is based in either out right lies or utopian wet dreams, pick your poison they both fail in the end.

Is that you Rush?
 
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