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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The amount of "fraud" that goes on elections is no where close enough to decide elections and many of them accusations of fraud turn out to be bs. And how much could these ID laws cost? Estimated around $828 million. Sounds like a bunch of wasteful tax payer money.
    Have you been following the results of Congressman Rangel's democratic primary held last week? His democratic opponent is alleging voter fraud. The vote is extremely close and the smallest amount of fraud would be enough to decide the election.
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    But Espaillat's supporters charge that votes were intentionally suppressed, not counted, and even tampered with. They are demanding that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder step in and launch a federal voter fraud investigation.

    Espaillat's supporters told Fox News that some voters who speak Spanish were not allowed to vote on the machines but told they had to fill out affidavit paper ballots; that others were told their names did not appear on the voting lists; and that poll workers even allegedly tampered with completed paper ballots by opening the envelopes after they were cast.


    Read more: Rangel opponent floats possibility of new election amid fraud claims | Fox News

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Leave it to a lib-tard news site to call requiring an ID to vote "voter suppression".
    It is voter suppression. /shrug

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A photo ID is not hard to obtain and cheap to obtain. IDs in Michigan are ten dollars.If you are legally blind or over the age of 65 then IDs are free. Considering the fact you need a ID for cashing a check, applying for benefits, applying for a job and many other things there is absolutely no reason to not have a state issued photo ID or driver's license.
    If politicians who aren't trying to suppress voting think a voter ID is necessary, then they can ensure that everyone gets a voter ID card when they register to vote. If they aren't going to do that, then it's voter suppression and I'll never support it.

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, it is DISCOVERED at that rate. If you have no way to KNOW who actually voted as Mr. John Smith, then you can't prove fraud. That is like saying shoplifting is very rare, it is just sloppy inventory work, that makes it appear to be much higher. LOL
    Meh, as far I'm concerned, the government needs to prove itself before restricting people's behavior which means it needs more proof than "we don't really know if voter fraud is a significant issue" to restrict people's ability to vote even further. Interestingly enough, that's a pretty popular position on the right. As a result, it's funny that how many on the right abandon it when it comes to this issue. That's either because they believe in the unproven conspiracies of widespread Democrat voter fraud or they want to suppress voting. Neither reason is good enough for requiring voter IDs.

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    Have you been following the results of Congressman Rangel's democratic primary held last week? His democratic opponent is alleging voter fraud. The vote is extremely close and the smallest amount of fraud would be enough to decide the election.
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    But Espaillat's supporters charge that votes were intentionally suppressed, not counted, and even tampered with. They are demanding that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder step in and launch a federal voter fraud investigation.

    Espaillat's supporters told Fox News that some voters who speak Spanish were not allowed to vote on the machines but told they had to fill out affidavit paper ballots; that others were told their names did not appear on the voting lists; and that poll workers even allegedly tampered with completed paper ballots by opening the envelopes after they were cast.


    Read more: Rangel opponent floats possibility of new election amid fraud claims | Fox News

    This is funny in a very sad way when the poster doesn't realise that his example of "voter fraud" is nothing of the sort. It is the stealing of an election - maybe - by the polling place workers which by any understanding is not what one could call "voter fraud". Voter ID cards make zero difference if the election workers where you vote can change your vote electronically or "lose" the ballot box in which your paper vote is stored.

    I would hope the 'journalists' at FoxNews know the difference but their headline does favour the current Republican Party propaganda even though the story tells the actual story.
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I wonder why a Republican governor would veto such bills when "voter fraud" is such a major part of the Republican position. I realise he stated his reasoning in the linked article but still ...



    more at MLive.com
    Michigan has had voter photo ID since their Supreme Court approved it in 2007. The law had actually been on the books since 1996 but the AGs had neglected to enforce it. It has been mandatory for years. Snyder vetoed several bills meant to expand the current law. He also approved several others.

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    Michigan has had voter photo ID since their Supreme Court approved it in 2007. The law had actually been on the books since 1996 but the AGs had neglected to enforce it. It has been mandatory for years. Snyder vetoed several bills meant to expand the current law. He also approved several others.
    Interesting…and what was the political persuasion of those AG’s since the Supreme Court upheld the LAW?

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It is voter suppression. /shrug
    It is not voter suppression.Saying its voter suppression does not make it so.If IDs were expensive or almost impossible to get then it would be voter suppression. However IDs are cheap to get and in some cases free to get.IDs are also not hard to obtain.
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If politicians who aren't trying to suppress voting think a voter ID is necessary, then they can ensure that everyone gets a voter ID card when they register to vote. If they aren't going to do that, then it's voter suppression and I'll never support it.
    Why would they need a separate ID for voting when there is already a state issued ID? Besides that many places do not require that you be there in person to register to vote,nor do they ask for ID. Unless you have been living under a rock for the past ten years then there is no valid reason why you don't have a state issued ID.You need a ID for loans,cashing a check, applying for benefits, getting a job and many other things. The idea that requiring a state issued ID to vote is voter suppression is idiotic and nothing more than fear mongering lib-tards.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It is voter suppression. /shrug
    Actually that and per the Michigan Supreme court:

    After the enactment of HAVA...One recommendation proposed that voters provide photo identification in order to deter fraud and enhance ballot integrity.

    Of further interest:

    We hold that the photo identification requirement contained in the statute is facially constitutional under the balancing test articulated by the United States Supreme Court in Burdick v Takushi.1 The identification requirement is a reasonable, nondiscriminatory restriction designed to preserve the purity of elections and to prevent abuses of the electoral franchise, as demanded by art 2, § 4 of the Michigan Constitution, thereby preventing lawful voters from having their votes diluted by those cast by fraudulent voters. Moreover, as no voter is required to incur the costs of obtaining a photo identification card as a condition of voting, the identification obligation imposed by MCL 168.523(1) cannot properly be characterized as an unconstitutional poll tax under the Twenty-fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

    http://coa.courts.mi.gov/documents/O...n1nov06-op.pdf

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