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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Lets be completly honest here, the reason the Dems dont want voter ID is that they just wouldnt win the election if they couldnt cheat by getting illegals to vote.
    Is that really you trying to be completely honest? If you honestly think that there are enough illegals voting to change any national election then (edited to avoid suspension).
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Lets be completly honest here, the reason the Dems dont want voter ID is that they just wouldnt win the election if they couldnt cheat by getting illegals to vote. There ideas are for the most part not poplular with the masses so they have to lie.

    We witness this on a daily basis.

    Liberalism is based in either out right lies or utopian wet dreams, pick your poison they both fail in the end.
    Let's face it, you're just another example of the issue conservatism faces: the inability to accept facts and the constant use of pseudoscience. Conservatives love stats and science except when it disagrees with them - which of course is why science and education is "liberal".
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    As someone who works in Michigan government, this came as quite a surprise. However, I am glad to see it. We finally have a Republican governor who takes a stand and will not be bossed around by right wing think tanks and the Koch Brothers.

    Let us hope Gov. Snyder shows his independence on other things as well in the coming 30 months of his term.
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    And how can you make these claims if there is no ID verification of citizenship? Answer= you cant.....




    With an estimated 12-20 million in the country and if no one is checking ID's your saying it couldnt?


    I'm sorry but these are too numerous to list in one post but I can give you an example.
    Obamacare for one in which he lied about the cost, numerous times to the sheeple.
    Did I miss your post where you link to verifiable evidence that voter fraud is a problem in American elections?
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Lets be completly honest here, the reason the Dems dont want voter ID is that they just wouldnt win the election if they couldnt cheat by getting illegals to vote.
    "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," - Mike Turzai, Pennsylvania House majority leader
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    I like how after all these years of asking for proof, they come up with nothing so now the mantra is "Well deep down in our heart we know it's happening and if we just had this voter ID law we could really prove it"
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    Now, just wait after all these voter ID laws get passed and more studies show that there isn't voter fraud (just like now) then they will say "See we told you voter ID would stop voter fraud".

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    A little bit dated but does anyone remember the whole US Attorneys losing their job because they refused to prosecute non-existent voter fraud cases? Republican appointed federal attorneys were ordered to dig up and make big public cases out of voter fraud and they couldn't do it because it just wasn't happening - remember?


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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    ONCE is too much, and that same valid, state issued, photo ID is needed for MANY other public and private purposes. The cases of "hardship" are rare as well, with all of the money spent fighting the voter ID laws the IDs could be made FREE.
    You make good points, but notice that the voter ID laws are being pushed right before an election, rather than during the two years between elections.

    Also TMK, none include provisions to facilitate IDs for legitimate voters.

    While I don't have a problem per se with voter IDs, the process also makes other "caging" activities easier. Poor people move more often than those better off. So there will be groups checking to see if your registration matches the address on your ID. If it doesn't, no vote for you.

    Its unfortunate that Republicans tend to do better when voter turnout is low. Makes it look like they have motives.

    Then we have the 18,000 legitimate voters scrubbed from the roles in the 2000 election in Florida. Looks like shenanigans rather than zeal for the purity of the process.
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You make good points, but notice that the voter ID laws are being pushed right before an election, rather than during the two years between elections.
    Voters tend to find these voter ID laws popular,so it makes sense to bring up an important issue around election time.Voters in my state overwhelmingly voted for voter ID law to be enacted during an election. One of the only reasons to push for an issue during the beginning or middle of a term is due to the fact it is a very unpopular issue.If a unpopular issue is pushed right before an election then politcians could lose their job.If unpopular issue is pushed during the beginning or middle of the term then voter anger could dissipate by the time the elections come around and thus the likelihood of the politician losing an election is greatly reduced.

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills


    There's an interesting statement about what qualifies as "valid ID" in Oklahoma.
    In addition, voters may use the voter identification card they received by mail from the County Election Board when they registered to vote. The law allows use of the voter identification card even though it does not include a photograph or an expiration date.
    I thought the whole point of this voter ID thing was that each voter had to prove who they were at the polling place, so what is to stop criminals from taking such STATE APPROVED cards to the polling place and using one of these ID cards - WHICH HAS NO PHOTO!
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