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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because cases of voter fraud are about .0001%..
    No, it is DISCOVERED at that rate. If you have no way to KNOW who actually voted as Mr. John Smith, then you can't prove fraud. That is like saying shoplifting is very rare, it is just sloppy inventory work, that makes it appear to be much higher. LOL
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, it is DISCOVERED at that rate. If you have no way to KNOW who actually voted as Mr. John Smith, then you can't prove fraud. That is like saying shoplifting is very rare, it is just sloppy inventory work, that makes it appear to be much higher. LOL
    They have controls for things like that in statistics. You'd be impressed to know how far that **** is over your head. Hypothesis testing, while complicated, is effective.
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Photo IDs. Some people don't have them.
    Then make THAT the emphasis of the get out the vote campaigns, if they can get to the polls then they can get to the ID place as well. Voting is about once every two years, it can't possibly be a problem to get an ID renewed every 6 years. Get real!
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, it is DISCOVERED at that rate. If you have no way to KNOW who actually voted as Mr. John Smith, then you can't prove fraud. That is like saying shoplifting is very rare, it is just sloppy inventory work, that makes it appear to be much higher. LOL
    "The report finds that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless—and that of the few allegations remaining, most reveal election irregularities and other forms of election misconduct, rather than fraud by individual voters" http://brennan.3cdn.net/c176576c0065..._gxm6ib0hl.pdf

    If its such a problem then why only so few cases come to the attention of investigators? If its actually happening at a huge rate then where are the prosecutions? Its simple. Its simply not happening very often AT ALL.


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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    They have controls for things like that in statistics. You'd be impressed to know how far that **** is over your head. Hypothesis testing, while complicated, is effective.
    Nonsense. If I know the name/address combinations of 6 registered voters, then I can vote 6 times, by simply saying that is who I am, each time. You know the old saying, vote early and vote often. ;-)
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. If I know the name/address combinations of 6 registered voters, then I can vote 6 times, by simply saying that is who I am, each time. You know the old saying, vote early and vote often. ;-)
    So wait, let me get this straight. Are you claiming that this study on voter fraud had no controls in place to determine the amount of people who use other's identities? Please, cite this proof.
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "The report finds that most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless—and that of the few allegations remaining, most reveal election irregularities and other forms of election misconduct, rather than fraud by individual voters" http://brennan.3cdn.net/c176576c0065..._gxm6ib0hl.pdf

    If its such a problem then why only so few cases come to the attention of investigators? If its actually happening at a huge rate then where are the prosecutions? Its simple. Its simply not happening very often AT ALL.
    ONCE is too much, and that same valid, state issued, photo ID is needed for MANY other public and private purposes. The cases of "hardship" are rare as well, with all of the money spent fighting the voter ID laws the IDs could be made FREE.
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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    ONCE is too much, and that same valid, state issued, photo ID is needed for MANY other public and private purposes. The cases of "hardship" are rare as well, with all of the money spent fighting the voter ID laws the IDs could be made FREE.
    The amount of "fraud" that goes on elections is no where close enough to decide elections and many of them accusations of fraud turn out to be bs. And how much could these ID laws cost? Estimated around $828 million. Sounds like a bunch of wasteful tax payer money.


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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The amount of "fraud" that goes on elections is no where close enough to decide elections and many of them accusations of fraud turn out to be bs. And how much could these ID laws cost? Estimated around $828 million. Sounds like a bunch of wasteful tax payer money.
    If Mexico can afford it so can the US.

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    Re: Michigan's GOP governor vetoes voter suppression bills

    Quote Originally Posted by jerry7 View Post
    If Mexico can afford it so can the US.
    Oh so now we think accepting countries ideas are ok? Interesting...

    There is nowhere near enough fraud to decide elections in this country. Its a complete waste of money with the amount of fraud that occurs. Its irrelevant to elections. Its so small.
    Last edited by TheDemSocialist; 07-04-12 at 12:53 AM.


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