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    US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    I think President Obama is being very foolish in escalating his conflict with Iran. The Iranians have offered to resume negotiations. The President is going to get Americans killed. Check this out:


    US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    "The US navy announced the arrival of the USS Abraham Lincoln in the north Arabian Sea and the USS Enterprise, the world's longest naval vessel, in the Gulf of Aden.A senior official in President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government threatened in January unspecified action if American aircraft carriers returned to the Persian Gulf, saying: "We are not in the habit of warning more than once".

    Although neither ship has entered the Gulf itself, the deployment will be seen as an unmistakable challenge in Tehran ahead of the beginning of negotiations on Saturday, which President Barack Obama has described as Iran's "last chance" to resolve the nuclear impasse through diplomacy.

    In recent weeks Iran has been forced to temper its bellicose rhetoric after American and European Union sanctions against the country's central bank and energy sector began to have serious consequences for its already faltering economy..."


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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The President is going to get Americans killed.
    Since when is that a problem for conservatives?
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when is that a problem for conservatives?

    Since that day in January 2009 when a Democrat assumed the office of the President.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when is that a problem for conservatives?
    For me personally it became a problem after the failure to discover WMD in Iraq. That changed my perspective on the use of force in American foreign policy.

    This was reinforced when it became clear that domestic political forces were prepared to use foreign military intervention for achieving domestic political advantage. That means that American forces will always be sand bagged by one side or the other. Imo that is so profoundly immoral that the best policy is for America never to fight unless the American homeland is actually attacked, and America has a clear cut objective in responding. Even then I am only prepared to see America fight using the Mongol way of war. Since that won't be acceptable to most Americans the only course of action that is reasonable is never to fight except on American soil.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Since that day in January 2009 when a Democrat assumed the office of the President.
    January 20, 2009 was the date the leftist anti-war movement went silent. That's why President Obama has a free hand to wage unrestricted drone war against civilians in Pakistan, Somalia and Kenya. He's even building new drone bases in the Indian Ocean so he can reach out and touch sleeping villagers any where in the vicinity of the Indian Ocean. Obama doesn't take prisoners. He kills them dead along with their families and anyone else who happens by. He even launches drone strikes against people who he doesn't identify. If they make the wrong move he kills them dead.

    Now President Obama has built up US forces around Iran in order to intimidate that country. He's goig to get America into another war. That's a very foolish thing to do.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    January 20, 2009 was the date the leftist anti-war movement went silent. That's why President Obama has a free hand to wage unrestricted drone war against civilians in Pakistan, Somalia and Kenya. He's even building new drone bases in the Indian Ocean so he can reach out and touch sleeping villagers any where in the vicinity of the Indian Ocean. Obama doesn't take prisoners. He kills them dead along with their families and anyone else who happens by. He even launches drone strikes against people who he doesn't identify. If they make the wrong move he kills them dead.

    Now President Obama has built up US forces around Iran in order to intimidate that country. He's goig to get America into another war. That's a very foolish thing to do.

    yet if he had done none of the actions you enumerate, the President would be denigrated as a weakling - caving into the terrorists. Just admit it - you and those you support will refuse to endorse absolutely any actions taken by the "Kenyan-born, Mooslem socialist" who was elected President.



    By the way, me calling out the hypocrisy of the right does not, should not - be taken as me endorsing every action the President has undertaken since his inauguration but the right doesn't do nuance very well so they may not understand such a position.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    yet if he had done none of the actions you enumerate, the President would be denigrated as a weakling - caving into the terrorists. Just admit it - you and those you support will refuse to endorse absolutely any actions taken by the "Kenyan-born, Mooslem socialist" who was elected President.
    The personal fate of an individual president is of little importance in the great sweep of history. It is of even less importance to the fate of the country. And it is of no importance to the Americans who die as a result of misguided action.

    Btw, Obama was born in Hawaii. He's not a Muslim. He's a social justice guy.

    His problem as far as I am concerned is that he is a post-modern liberal. I am a classical liberal. No post-modern liberal is ok as president. The two sides can't compromise because one side believes in the ideal of individual liberty and the other side believes in equality of outcome. There can be no political peace unless the country is restructured to eliminate the power of one side to impose its will on the other side. The alternative is termination of the established order by allowing external forces of history to collapse the system.

    By the way, me calling out the hypocrisy of the right does not, should not - be taken as me endorsing every action the President has undertaken since his inauguration but the right doesn't do nuance very well so they may not understand such a position.
    I'm not a Republican. I call myself a conservative because there is no where else to go. If truth be told my views are a fusion of classical liberalism and confucianism.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    I never understand why the kind of crap is such an accepted part of international diplomacy. If you want to make empty threats and posture like an insecure peacock, don't get real weapons involved. It only takes one idiot mistake to cause an incident, as we saw with the loss of a Turkish aircraft near Syria. The political situation than spirals out of control, and you get a war on your hands that neither side actually wants. Politicians shouldn't be gambling real lives for silly political games.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    The US has maintained two carriers in the region for years now. There's nothing new or unusual about this movement.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think President Obama is being very foolish in escalating his conflict with Iran. The Iranians have offered to resume negotiations. The President is going to get Americans killed. Check this out:


    US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    There is nothing foolish about sending those military reinforcements into the Persian Gulf. They are there "to deter the Iranian military from any possible attempt to shut the Strait of Hormuz" and "to increase the number of fighter jets capable of striking deep into Iran if the standoff over its nuclear program escalates."

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