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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    For me personally it became a problem after the failure to discover WMD in Iraq. That changed my perspective on the use of force in American foreign policy.

    This was reinforced when it became clear that domestic political forces were prepared to use foreign military intervention for achieving domestic political advantage. That means that American forces will always be sand bagged by one side or the other. Imo that is so profoundly immoral that the best policy is for America never to fight unless the American homeland is actually attacked, and America has a clear cut objective in responding. Even then I am only prepared to see America fight using the Mongol way of war. Since that won't be acceptable to most Americans the only course of action that is reasonable is never to fight except on American soil.
    The Mongol way of war? What was that but a campaign of terror that gained a frightful reputation that preceded it and kingdoms would surrendor before the Mongols even arrived at their borders? Well, the US now has a frightful reputation that precedes it and Obama is hoping for a surrender or at least a compromise before he gets to Iran's borders. So there you have it, the Mongol way of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Iraq was the wrong war, since there were no WMD's, which is why Bush sent people over there. Bad move.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Hindsight is 20/20.
    A lot of people knew Iraq didn't have WMDs.


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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    This is nonsense. Our military should not be over there. We shouldn't be messing around with Iran. Let the UN handle it.
    The UN would never do anything scarier than wag their finger menacingly. If you want to keep gas in your car so you can get to work to insure food in your belly, then you better hope there are carriers in the area. Without them, Iran would already have closed off the Strait of Hormuz, and gas would cost FAR MORE than $4/gallon.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    more sabre rattling
    china and russia have both warned us to keep our hands off of iran
    the only reason we would need to secure the strait of hormuz would be in the event of an unprovoked attack upon iran
    why would we do the one thing which would cause oil prices to again spike, further slowing the western world's economic recovery
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    more sabre rattling
    china and russia have both warned us to keep our hands off of iran
    the only reason we would need to secure the strait of hormuz would be in the event of an unprovoked attack upon iran
    why would we do the one thing which would cause oil prices to again spike, further slowing the western world's economic recovery
    We haven't attacked have we? All we ever said was "all options are on the table," a suggestion that BOTH diplomatic and military options are being considered. Apparently, this amounts to fiery war drum beating only. While Iran's response is to threaten to close the Strait of Hormuz, attack Israel with missiles, attack and destroy US bases, attack Turkey, and attack Germany. Apparently, this is "diplomatic rhetoric only." I'm still not clear on the logic of these perceptions, but apparently I'm wrong to see it otherwise.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    more sabre rattling
    china and russia have both warned us to keep our hands off of iran
    the only reason we would need to secure the strait of hormuz would be in the event of an unprovoked attack upon iran
    why would we do the one thing which would cause oil prices to again spike, further slowing the western world's economic recovery
    Because The One said it would necessary for gas prices to rise. A huge brew-ha-ha would be right up The One'a alley. That way, he could push hia green jobs agenda.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    more sabre rattling
    china and russia have both warned us to keep our hands off of iran
    the only reason we would need to secure the strait of hormuz would be in the event of an unprovoked attack upon iran
    why would we do the one thing which would cause oil prices to again spike, further slowing the western world's economic recovery
    Because The One said it would necessary for gas prices to rise. A huge brew-ha-ha would be right up The One'a alley. That way, he could push hia green jobs agenda.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Try to keep in mind that not all officers come from West Point, in fact only a small percent come from there. It's also an elite school so the background and personalities of those who attend are not representative of most officers. The study you linked focuses on West Point and ignores the rest of the officer corps. That's like only studying Harvard grads and making assessments about ALL college grads based on Harvard. Without doubt these hypothetical assessments would be generally wrong.
    About one-fourth of the the Army's new officers each year come from West Point. That's more than "a small percent," and many of them have influence beyond their numbers by virtue of the fact that they're "Pointers." And what does "elite" have to do with the contention that three-fourths of cadets are either Republican or identity with the Republican Party? I mean, Harvard's an elite school, but no one's ever accused Harvard or any other school in the Ivy League of having a shortage of liberals. One would think that wherever the government's giving away free **** (like educations) liberals would be trampling over each other to get there. I guess not.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Sending the carriers to the Gulf is an important measure to reassure our critical Gulf allies that we are not cowed by Iranian threats, and furthermore that we are willing to show a tangible stake in their regional security. It also reminds Iran that for all of its posturing it does not really have the capability to do half of the things it claims, let alone wrest even temporary surface control of the Gulf.

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