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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Well, just two examples I can offer: Joe Biden's son volunteered and served in Iraq. Not one of Mitt Romney's sons could be bothered with enlisting.

    or how about the Congressional race in Illinois? That great patriot Republican Congressman Joe Walsh never served in the military, his Democratic opponent - a woman, lost both of her legs when her Black Hawk was shot down in Iraq.

    You must be right - only real true Americans volunteer for service and they are all Republicans - yeah right!

    Another one, ever heard of a guy named Pat Tillman?
    not a valid excuse,the right has promised worse,but the left has delivered it while having those who voted him to abolish such acts support him for enacting republican style policy,simply because he has a d next to his name.

    basically democrats go by what someone says they will do and republicans tend to go by what they have actually done.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I'd like to know, how you know, what the motives are of everyone joining the military. Please list the studies you've conducted and the methods you employed in the study. Otherwise, admit it. You're guessing.
    OK, I'll admit it: I'm guessing. Best I can find is a racist survey (If you mention race, you're racist, right?) from 2004 that basically said officers (who are largely white and educated) tend to identify themselves as "conservative." As you go down the ranks and include more minorities, though, you find more "liberals." So I'm still left to wonder: How many well-educated, white liberals join the military? My guess is not many. They certainly don't wear their liberal stripes at West Point. I also wonder why Democrats squealed so loudly in 2000 when Bush's campaign moved to include overseas (largely military) ballots in the contested Florida election. I mean, if there we so many liberals in the military, what was the worry?


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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    not a valid excuse,the right has promised worse,but the left has delivered it while having those who voted him to abolish such acts support him for enacting republican style policy,simply because he has a d next to his name.

    basically democrats go by what someone says they will do and republicans tend to go by what they have actually done.

    Could someone translate this comment for me because I have no idea what he is trying to get across?
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Could someone translate this comment for me because I have no idea what he is trying to get across?
    not gonna lie i dont understand that one,probably drunk and quoted the wrong person,wouldnt be the first time.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    OK, I'll admit it: I'm guessing. Best I can find is a racist survey (If you mention race, you're racist, right?) from 2004 that basically said officers (who are largely white and educated) tend to identify themselves as "conservative." As you go down the ranks and include more minorities, though, you find more "liberals." So I'm still left to wonder: How many well-educated, white liberals join the military? My guess is not many. They certainly don't wear their liberal stripes at West Point. I also wonder why Democrats squealed so loudly in 2000 when Bush's campaign moved to include overseas (largely military) ballots in the contested Florida election. I mean, if there we so many liberals in the military, what was the worry?


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    Try to keep in mind that not all officers come from West Point, in fact only a small percent come from there. It's also an elite school so the background and personalities of those who attend are not representative of most officers. The study you linked focuses on West Point and ignores the rest of the officer corps. That's like only studying Harvard grads and making assessments about ALL college grads based on Harvard. Without doubt these hypothetical assessments would be generally wrong.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Well, just two examples I can offer: Joe Biden's son volunteered and served in Iraq. Not one of Mitt Romney's sons could be bothered with enlisting.
    He didn't enlist. He was a JAG officer (that's a lawyer in uniform) in a reserve unit.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when is that a problem for conservatives?
    This particular brand of hackery always cracks me up as it relies entirely on a complete lack of knowledge of US history.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He didn't enlist. He was a JAG officer (that's a lawyer in uniform) in a reserve unit.
    If you sign up for the the military that is called enlisting. At the time Beau Biden went to Iraq he was the Attorney General of Delaware and probably could have received a bye if he had requested one. Also he was in the National Guard, not the Army Reserve.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If you sign up for the the military that is called enlisting. At the time Beau Biden went to Iraq he was the Attorney General of Delaware and probably could have received a bye if he had requested one. Also he was in the National Guard, not the Army Reserve.
    No.

    Enlisted men and women signing up are enlisting. Officers are Commissioned. If you are going to speak from a position of authority on military matters you should A) know what you are talking about and B) try it on someone that hasn't served in the military.

    He "could have received a bye"? You mean like his father that got 7 "byes"? The National Guard is reserves.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think President Obama is being very foolish in escalating his conflict with Iran. The Iranians have offered to resume negotiations. The President is going to get Americans killed. Check this out:


    US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    "The US navy announced the arrival of the USS Abraham Lincoln in the north Arabian Sea and the USS Enterprise, the world's longest naval vessel, in the Gulf of Aden.A senior official in President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government threatened in January unspecified action if American aircraft carriers returned to the Persian Gulf, saying: "We are not in the habit of warning more than once".

    Although neither ship has entered the Gulf itself, the deployment will be seen as an unmistakable challenge in Tehran ahead of the beginning of negotiations on Saturday, which President Barack Obama has described as Iran's "last chance" to resolve the nuclear impasse through diplomacy.

    In recent weeks Iran has been forced to temper its bellicose rhetoric after American and European Union sanctions against the country's central bank and energy sector began to have serious consequences for its already faltering economy..."


    Read More:
    US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf - Telegraph


    This is nonsense. Our military should not be over there. We shouldn't be messing around with Iran. Let the UN handle it.

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