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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think President Obama is being very foolish in escalating his conflict with Iran. The Iranians have offered to resume negotiations. The President is going to get Americans killed. Check this out:


    US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    "The US navy announced the arrival of the USS Abraham Lincoln in the north Arabian Sea and the USS Enterprise, the world's longest naval vessel, in the Gulf of Aden.A senior official in President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government threatened in January unspecified action if American aircraft carriers returned to the Persian Gulf, saying: "We are not in the habit of warning more than once".

    Although neither ship has entered the Gulf itself, the deployment will be seen as an unmistakable challenge in Tehran ahead of the beginning of negotiations on Saturday, which President Barack Obama has described as Iran's "last chance" to resolve the nuclear impasse through diplomacy.

    In recent weeks Iran has been forced to temper its bellicose rhetoric after American and European Union sanctions against the country's central bank and energy sector began to have serious consequences for its already faltering economy..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    For me personally it became a problem after the failure to discover WMD in Iraq. That changed my perspective on the use of force in American foreign policy.

    This was reinforced when it became clear that domestic political forces were prepared to use foreign military intervention for achieving domestic political advantage. That means that American forces will always be sand bagged by one side or the other. Imo that is so profoundly immoral that the best policy is for America never to fight unless the American homeland is actually attacked, and America has a clear cut objective in responding. Even then I am only prepared to see America fight using the Mongol way of war. Since that won't be acceptable to most Americans the only course of action that is reasonable is never to fight except on American soil.
    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    January 20, 2009 was the date the leftist anti-war movement went silent. That's why President Obama has a free hand to wage unrestricted drone war against civilians in Pakistan, Somalia and Kenya. He's even building new drone bases in the Indian Ocean so he can reach out and touch sleeping villagers any where in the vicinity of the Indian Ocean. Obama doesn't take prisoners. He kills them dead along with their families and anyone else who happens by. He even launches drone strikes against people who he doesn't identify. If they make the wrong move he kills them dead.

    Now President Obama has built up US forces around Iran in order to intimidate that country. He's goig to get America into another war. That's a very foolish thing to do.
    My answer to the above would be read the book, "Great Power: American and the World After [G. W.] Bush" and then maybe this show of American sea power projection will start to make some sense. Granted, Iran has acted more like a pesky mosquito or a knat, but this move along with moving U.S. warship into the south-Pacific near China's doorstep follow the tennant, "walk softly but carry a big stick".

    I don't expect Iran or China to do anything militarily; neither have enough firepower to be much of a threat. But like Reagan, Obama can, will and has used our military to intimidate, bully and if necessary kill those who threaten our national security.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    I think President Obama is being very foolish in escalating his conflict with Iran. The Iranians have offered to resume negotiations. The President is going to get Americans killed.
    This is a prudent decision on the part pf the US. Iran is seeking legislation which would give enable the Iranian military to block any oil tanker from countries that takes part in the oil embargo and they have tested missiles which would reach US targets in the area. To ignore Iran's actions is irresponsible and reckless.

    "Iran announced it would consider legislation to disrupt marine traffic in the Strait of Hormuz. The legislation calls for the Iranian military to block any oil tanker on its way to countries that no longer buy Iranian crude because of the embargo.

    On Tuesday, Iran test-fired several ballistic missiles capable of striking American bases in the region as well as Israel. Iran claimed the surface-to-surface missiles hit their targets after travelling 800 miles, The Associated Press reported."

    US Sends Ships, Fighter Jets to Brace for Iran Threat

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    What do you folks think will happen if anything goes wrong for Obama in the Persian Gulf? Division and recriminations. America is not a normal great power. It has a dysfunctional political culture where any foreign conflict will be used for domestic political advantage. That means America can't fight any one effectively. It didn't use to be this way, but we allowed it to happen.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This is a prudent decision on the part pf the US. Iran is seeking legislation which would give enable the Iranian military to block any oil tanker from countries that takes part in the oil embargo and they have tested missiles which would reach US targets in the area. To ignore Iran's actions is irresponsible and reckless.

    "Iran announced it would consider legislation to disrupt marine traffic in the Strait of Hormuz. The legislation calls for the Iranian military to block any oil tanker on its way to countries that no longer buy Iranian crude because of the embargo.

    On Tuesday, Iran test-fired several ballistic missiles capable of striking American bases in the region as well as Israel. Iran claimed the surface-to-surface missiles hit their targets after travelling 800 miles, The Associated Press reported."

    US Sends Ships, Fighter Jets to Brace for Iran Threat
    I think this is another empty Iranian threat. After the John C. Stennis rescued Iranian sailors and later departed, Iran thanked them by warning the carrier to never return. A few weeks later another carrier arrived and cruised through the Strait with no Iranian naval response. So much for the big-talking Iran. So much for their threat. Iran may pass this blockade through their legislature, but they would be ill-advised to put it into action.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    There is nothing foolish about sending those military reinforcements into the Persian Gulf. They are there "to deter the Iranian military from any possible attempt to shut the Strait of Hormuz" and "to increase the number of fighter jets capable of striking deep into Iran if the standoff over its nuclear program escalates."
    As long as American forces remain in the Middle East this country will fight an endless series of wars. Better to come home.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    As long as American forces remain in the Middle East this country will fight an endless series of wars. Better to come home.

    In the current situation there is no doubt that any sign of weakness will be used to Iran's advantage. For example, Iran has threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz for the ships of any nation who takes part in sanctions, were America not showing strength and warning Iran against any stupid acts, then there is a good possibility the the Iranian Regime would attempt to close the Straits with consequent economic disruption for the West and the certainty of more serious action.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I think this is another empty Iranian threat. After the John C. Stennis rescued Iranian sailors and later departed, Iran thanked them by warning the carrier to never return. A few weeks later another carrier arrived and cruised through the Strait with no Iranian naval response. So much for the big-talking Iran. So much for their threat. Iran may pass this blockade through their legislature, but they would be ill-advised to put it into action.
    While ill advised, it would be foolhardy to ignore.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    While ill advised, it would be foolhardy to ignore.
    Agreed. A response is necessary. And they might be just as fanatically stupid as I worry about. So we need to maintain our guard.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    The Arabian Sea is not the Persian Gulf.


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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The Arabian Sea is not the Persian Gulf.

    Thanks for the insight.

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