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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

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    I just want one decade. One decade of zero international conflict so we can focus on domestic problems. Apparently that's asking too much. Where the hell is the UN on this? We aren't the only nation in the UN with a strong Naval force.
    Gosh, that would be nice if the UN actually had teeth, wouldn't it?
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    I think we should start looking for ways to withdraw from the UN. It's nothing but trouble, always has been.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I think we should start looking for ways to withdraw from the UN. It's nothing but trouble, always has been.
    You would be hard pressed to find a decade in American history in which some conflict, intervention, or maritime activity did not take place. This is because the US does not live alone, and foreign events have a tremendous impact on our country. It is an enduring myth that our founding fathers believed in an isolationist and secluded foreign policy. This is not true in either word or deed despite Washington's farewell address which was more of a cry in the wilderness (and misinterpreted at that) than common consensus.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I think we should start looking for ways to withdraw from the UN. It's nothing but trouble, always has been.
    That is silly. It would undermine US legitimacy, undermine our ability to project our norms, undermine our ability to use it as a bully club against our foes, it would cause a cascade of unforeseen problems. If you want to create an alternate and simultaneous organization of states aligned with US values and interests however you have my support.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Also to a recurring point in this discussion, the UN is a mechanism not an actor. The UN cannot 'clear' the straits of Hormuz, it can only authorize someone to do so. And in that sort of situation authorization would both not be needed, and would be quickly forthcoming.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    That is silly. It would undermine US legitimacy, undermine our ability to project our norms, undermine our ability to use it as a bully club against our foes, it would cause a cascade of unforeseen problems. If you want to create an alternate and simultaneous organization of states aligned with US values and interests however you have my support.
    The hell are you talking about? The world knows what we can do, and we shouldn't be projecting, or threatening anyone. Our hands are constantly tied because of stupid international ****, to the extent that it has undermined our sociopolitical infrastructure.
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Also to a recurring point in this discussion, the UN is a mechanism not an actor. The UN cannot 'clear' the straits of Hormuz, it can only authorize someone to do so. And in that sort of situation authorization would both not be needed, and would be quickly forthcoming.
    And guess who gets the job by default?
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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The hell are you talking about? The world knows what we can do, and we shouldn't be projecting, or threatening anyone. Our hands are constantly tied because of stupid international ****, to the extent that it has undermined our sociopolitical infrastructure.
    The world doesn't work like that, and I'm not sure what you are trying to say. It is in the US interests to be at the UN for the reasons I mentioned, and if the worst cost is the annual contribution to its coffers it is a cost well worth paying. We have interests overseas that we need to protect and agitate for.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    And guess who gets the job by default?
    The largest democratic country with the greatest blue water fleet and her allies in an attempt to secure a vital energy node? I think that is the United States.

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    Re: US flexes muscles as it sends aircraft carriers to Persian Gulf

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The world doesn't work like that, and I'm not sure what you are trying to say. It is in the US interests to be at the UN for the reasons I mentioned, and if the worst cost is the annual contribution to its coffers it is a cost well worth paying. We have interests overseas that we need to protect and agitate for.
    I've made what what I'm saying clear as crystal: The UN is a parasite, and we need to separate ourselves from them before we collapse entirely.

    The largest democratic country with the greatest blue water fleet and her allies in an attempt to secure a vital energy node? I think that is the United States.
    More like the worlds biggest sucker. We have a 15 trillion dollar deficit and we're spending millions to put our carriers in position to protect interests that we will not have exclusive rights to. It's a scam.
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